Well, after finding out that I can get one of these two setups for about the same price as my GC/Neuspeed Koni setup, I have decided to probably sell the GC's and go with on of the two systems listed in the thread title.

Are both of these systems not going to rust, what are they made out of? Has anyone ever used either of these two setups and how do you like them? The Tein has spring rates of 8k/6k, what do those rates convert to in pounds, and does anyone know the rates on the H&R Coilovers?

Obviously most people will reccomend one of these true systems over the GC's, so which one of these would be better for daily driving/autocrossing? Also, which one has better support later if perhaps they needed to be rebuilt?

Thanks for any Replys,
Jon

 

Well I personally have the H&R coilovers. Its a pretty good ride for every day to race driving. pretty stiff. The thing is Tein costs alot more. if you have the money go for that. They are are great coilover. My price limit was limited and I got my H&R for like $700. Oh ya did I say H&R has a lifetime warranty?

I think if you want a good set of tiens you will probably pay around $1200

 

Fooser,

Well, I found the Teins new (SS) for around $900, if you can give me the name of the place where you got yours for $700 that would be a great deal.

So you like the H&R's a lot? How do they compare to other setups like Prokit/Koni's, or something like that. Do you know what the spring rates are on the H&R Coilovers? So how do they perform?

Thanks in Advance,
Jon

 

ttt

 

how much of hieght adjustable are these coilovers? thanks. 700 is pretty cheap!

 

I have the H&R coilovers and i absolutely LOVE them!!! Great ride (unless you slam it, hehehe) But overall, they are the best $799 I ever spent on my car!!!

 

HondaJon: It seems like you and I are in the same boat (I'm about to lower my car as well).

I was considereing a GC/Koni Yellow setup until I started hearing all this talk about them not being "true" coilovers.

My question is this. If I were to get the H&R Coilover system @ ~$700, would I need to buy anything else? (i.e. Shocks...!?) I was told the GC/Koni setup would run me ~$850.

I want to make the right choice the first time.

TIA

Ohlias


(HondaJon: Sorry for stepping in on your thread)

 

i am in the same position as you. i have been considering both setups (along with the koni threaded suspension kit).

take a look at this page: http://www.tein.com/honda.html the teins are 448 front and 336 rear.

i have spoken with people at H&R a couple times and the rates they quoted me were 325 front and 235 rear.

the teins allow adjustment, though it isn't clear whether you are adjusting rebound and compression together, or if one is fixed while the other adjusts. does anyone know for sure?

the h&r are only height adjustible, but my thinking is that unless you are really competitive and/or will be changing spring rates, adjustibility isn't really necessary. h&r builds and sets the damper to be as perfect a match with the selected spring rate as possible. i don't feel i know enough to second guess their settings.

plus it seems like h&r reps are easier to get ahold of, but that could be changing now that tein has more distributors in the US.

hope this helps some
phil

 

the H&R is a fully adjustable coilover w/shock to as low as you want. The price usually runs between $700 - $799. If you know how to weal and deal you can get it for $700. The tighter the spring the hard ther ride will be. So if you slam your car it will be a little more bouncy due to the fact the the spring is less compressed. I have 17x7.5 rims on my car and I cant drop the car past the tire because I will hit the fender. I would say the gap is a little less then half a inch from the fender. front and back.

I will have to get back to you on the spring rates after I check them. All I got to say is if I'm driving and hit a bump I feel like I'm going bounce out of my seat sometimes. The cornering is great. As soon as I upgrade my sway bars the supsension will be complete.

Oh ya dont forget your camber kits. Dont listen to anyone that says you dont need one cause you will even if you drop it a little. To make your car look decent you will want to drop it more then 2". its only like another $150 for a good setup with camber kit. So dont skimp out like I did or you will have to get more tires at $80 a piece twice as fast. Just think of it that way when your thinking about lowering your car. Dont lower it until you got the camber kit.

Lets just say I had my Tires for maybe 10,000 miles and I got to replace them in front.
Oh ya are the tien SS series the lower model? I always thought they cost more. I think it was the HA series that I always looked into. Think those are better then the SS series.



[Modified by Fooser, 5:19 PM 3/4/2002]

 

Then Tein SS are marketed specifically for the US market. I guess they think we're cheap and would preffer a softer setup. So...

The SS doesn't come with helper springs/pillowball mount, and like stated above, the spring rates are softer.

 

Sounds like I'll be getting the H&R Coilovers. What shocks do they come with (will they be better than Koni Yellows)? And I will still be able to jack the car back up after the summer right?

What about the camber kit. How exacty does that work? and what does it do? I really don;t think I'm going to even get close to dropping my car 2 inches. The roads are just awful up here...


Ohlias


[Modified by Ohlias, 2:52 PM 3/4/2002]


[Modified by Ohlias, 2:53 PM 3/4/2002]

 

Camber kits will prevent uneven wear on the tires. Usually the tires will wear on the inside. If you look at cars that are lowered you will see alot of them with bad camber. this would look somewhat like this / \ as if the tires were pointing into the car. they do sell camber kits with less correction like 1 degree kits.
If your only going to lower your car maybe a inch, then you should not have that much trouble. From my experience an inch is not that much at all. Personally if you dont have a ground kit on your car or a huge exhaust you will have plenty of clearance with a 2" drop. I will get a pic of how my car looks when I get home. Its resonably low considering I back out of a drivway that slopes up. You just have to be aware of a few things like pulling out slower then usual and not parking too close to curbs and those dividers in parking lots. Thats a sure way to rip your bumper off.

 

The cause of uneven tire wear is more from out of spec Toe setting, more than it is from negative camber. Serious.

 

ttt

 

Tein's have adjustable rebound and compression tied together. Tein SS's are made of painted steel.

 

so what do you all think would ride smoother h&r coils or koni/ground control combo?

 

H&R will ride smoother.

 

TTT