The New Aprilia Tuono
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Re: (marmaladeboy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by marmaladeboy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like he's not really counter-steering, tho...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Whaaaa? I was going to see how long it took any "Good" riders here to point out the technique, but lack of counter steering in a snap shot was not what I as looking for
Whaaaa? I was going to see how long it took any "Good" riders here to point out the technique, but lack of counter steering in a snap shot was not what I as looking for
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UTCiv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I still think I'll be looking for an 03-05 when I get one.
This style may grow on me but it hasn't yet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The old ones were really cool-looking, I don't understand why they did this.
This style may grow on me but it hasn't yet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The old ones were really cool-looking, I don't understand why they did this.
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Re: (marmaladeboy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by marmaladeboy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like he's not really counter-steering, tho...</TD></TR></TABLE>
You only countersteer to initiate turns bro. If you are countersteering during the turn, you are either a flat-tracker or someone who is about to crash.
You only countersteer to initiate turns bro. If you are countersteering during the turn, you are either a flat-tracker or someone who is about to crash.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MSchu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whaaaa? I was going to see how long it took any "Good" riders here to point out the technique, but lack of counter steering in a snap shot was not what I as looking for</TD></TR></TABLE>
w3rd; his outside arms' all rigid. Should be loose, resting against the tank.
Anyways, I like the bike.
w3rd; his outside arms' all rigid. Should be loose, resting against the tank.
Anyways, I like the bike.
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Re: (PGK)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PGK »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You only countersteer to initiate turns bro. If you are countersteering during the turn, you are either a flat-tracker or someone who is about to crash. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Countersteering in a turn is required to keep the bike going through the turn. The pressure on the inside bar through the turn may not be as much as the initial turn-in point, but if you're not keeping pressure on the bar (ie, countersteering), how exactly are you getting through the turn?
Countersteering in a turn is required to keep the bike going through the turn. The pressure on the inside bar through the turn may not be as much as the initial turn-in point, but if you're not keeping pressure on the bar (ie, countersteering), how exactly are you getting through the turn?
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Re: (marmaladeboy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by marmaladeboy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Countersteering in a turn is required to keep the bike going through the turn. The pressure on the inside bar through the turn may not be as much as the initial turn-in point, but if you're not keeping pressure on the bar (ie, countersteering), how exactly are you getting through the turn?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Or tighten your line.
I still think that picture is deceiving and he probably isn't doing anything "wrong".
Countersteering in a turn is required to keep the bike going through the turn. The pressure on the inside bar through the turn may not be as much as the initial turn-in point, but if you're not keeping pressure on the bar (ie, countersteering), how exactly are you getting through the turn?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Or tighten your line.
I still think that picture is deceiving and he probably isn't doing anything "wrong".
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my friend has a 2003 model and I think that it is pretty sharp… I imagine thereis the same type of creative thinking put into this bike. They are definately different than your average sport bike, but it stands out in, performs and not everyone has one.
stock with frame sliders, gaffers brake lines and other stuff I'm sure to miss.
they get my vote (if you can afford one)
stock with frame sliders, gaffers brake lines and other stuff I'm sure to miss.
they get my vote (if you can afford one)
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From: Fredericksburg, VA, USA
Re: (marmaladeboy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by marmaladeboy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Countersteering in a turn is required to keep the bike going through the turn. The pressure on the inside bar through the turn may not be as much as the initial turn-in point, but if you're not keeping pressure on the bar (ie, countersteering), how exactly are you getting through the turn?</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.msgroup.org/TIP048.html
Read that, the whole thing. It's not complicated stuff.
Once you are leaning, the wheel turns in the direction of the lean, thanks to rake and trail. If you are maintaining your line, the bars will be turned towards the lean and the corner exit. As reborn said, you will only need to countersteer to change your line.
Countersteering in a turn is required to keep the bike going through the turn. The pressure on the inside bar through the turn may not be as much as the initial turn-in point, but if you're not keeping pressure on the bar (ie, countersteering), how exactly are you getting through the turn?</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.msgroup.org/TIP048.html
Read that, the whole thing. It's not complicated stuff.
Once you are leaning, the wheel turns in the direction of the lean, thanks to rake and trail. If you are maintaining your line, the bars will be turned towards the lean and the corner exit. As reborn said, you will only need to countersteer to change your line.
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Re: (PGK)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PGK »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.msgroup.org/TIP048.html
Read that, the whole thing. It's not complicated stuff.
Once you are leaning, the wheel turns in the direction of the lean, thanks to rake and trail. If you are maintaining your line, the bars will be turned towards the lean and the corner exit. As reborn said, you will only need to countersteer to change your line. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Once you are in the turn, if you let go of the handlebars (or release pressure on the bars), then it will eventually take a straight line and sit up straight. To keep it in the turn, you need to keep pressure on the bar. Applying pressure to the inside grip is countersteering.
Read that, the whole thing. It's not complicated stuff.
Once you are leaning, the wheel turns in the direction of the lean, thanks to rake and trail. If you are maintaining your line, the bars will be turned towards the lean and the corner exit. As reborn said, you will only need to countersteer to change your line. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Once you are in the turn, if you let go of the handlebars (or release pressure on the bars), then it will eventually take a straight line and sit up straight. To keep it in the turn, you need to keep pressure on the bar. Applying pressure to the inside grip is countersteering.
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Did you even bother reading?
Applying pressure is applying pressure. It's not countersteering. Countersteering is when the wheel is pointing to the outside of the turn. When you initiate the turn, you point the wheel to the outside, which causes the bike to lean to the inside. Once the bike is leaning, the wheel points the same direction as the lean. After the initial tip-in, you are not countersteering.
Applying pressure is applying pressure. It's not countersteering. Countersteering is when the wheel is pointing to the outside of the turn. When you initiate the turn, you point the wheel to the outside, which causes the bike to lean to the inside. Once the bike is leaning, the wheel points the same direction as the lean. After the initial tip-in, you are not countersteering.
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Re: (PGK)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PGK »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did you even bother reading?
Applying pressure is applying pressure. It's not countersteering. Countersteering is when the wheel is pointing to the outside of the turn. When you initiate the turn, you point the wheel to the outside, which causes the bike to lean to the inside. Once the bike is leaning, the wheel points the same direction as the lean. After the initial tip-in, you are not countersteering. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, I did read it.
Would you say then if, after the inital tip-in, you are steering the bike in the direction of the turn? In other words, turning the wheel towards the turn?
If you are in the turn, and you are applying force to the inside grip, that is pushing in the opposite direction. Hence, countersteering.
Applying pressure is applying pressure. It's not countersteering. Countersteering is when the wheel is pointing to the outside of the turn. When you initiate the turn, you point the wheel to the outside, which causes the bike to lean to the inside. Once the bike is leaning, the wheel points the same direction as the lean. After the initial tip-in, you are not countersteering. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, I did read it.
Would you say then if, after the inital tip-in, you are steering the bike in the direction of the turn? In other words, turning the wheel towards the turn?
If you are in the turn, and you are applying force to the inside grip, that is pushing in the opposite direction. Hence, countersteering.
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