im looking to buying some rods for my new motor build . who has actually weighed some of the aftermarket rods out there ive heard for steel that the crowers are the lightest, any one have anyhing to help out other wise im just gonna go eagle for price affectiveness

 

omni-power makes some light weight titanium I beam rods resonably priced.

 

Cunningham also makes light weight titanium rods at around 400 per rod, u want light weight u gotta pay i guess.

 

he said " steel"

Carrillo H beam STEEL rods are the strongest STEEL rods per gram of weight.
I have yet to find a better steel rod.
and I sell alot of Crower's.....lol
Carrillo are the most $ though.
Their CARR rod bolts are unsurpassed.
any manufacturer who makes steel rods, basically compares themselves to Carrillo, whether they admit it or not. Its like Chrysler having the Mazda MPV besides their minivan production line, to find ways to build a btter Minivan...lol.
Carrillo does offer the A beam at compeitive prices compared to all other "billet" rods.
I am not a fan at all of the lower priced rods.....under $400
http://www.carrilloind.com


Titanium and aluminum are lighter of course.....nature of the beast

Modified by PocketRockets Racing at 10:27 AM 9/27/2005


Modified by PocketRockets Racing at 11:32 AM 9/27/2005

 

carrillo A beams are the lightest steel rods B-18b rod weight is 425 grams.

not the cheapest but the lightest that i have found....... stay away from the probe ultralight rods (little time bombs).

 

I've done lots of hard research on this subject and you won't find anything that can compete with the Carillos as far as steel rods go.

-Kendall, who still wants Titanium rods regardless

 

thanks guys any one have any complete weight comparison's

 

Just some info

Carrillo uses a one piece forging, Cunningham uses a two piece forging to have the 90 degree grain flow in relation to the beam on the cap. Same forging house with Carrillo using 4340 from Timken and Cunningham using 4340 from another quality US specialty Steel mill.

Carrillo offers the CARR cap screws from SPS (Standard Press Steel, a big supplier to aircraft industry, engine builders etc). Cunningham offers H11 Tool steel cap screws from A1 (here in Paramount, CA) a specialty supplier that suppliers F1, Cart Teams, etc, they also supply Crower which used to use SPS Carr bolts.

 

GOOD INFO ROCKET THANKS STILL LOOKING FOR COMPARED WEIGHTS?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just some info


Carrillo offers the CARR cap screws from SPS (Standard Press Steel, a big supplier to aircraft industry, engine builders etc). Cunningham offers H11 Tool steel cap screws from A1 (here in Paramount, CA) a specialty supplier that suppliers F1, Cart Teams, etc, they also supply Crower which used to use SPS Carr bolts.</TD></TR></TABLE>


On that note I'm in the aerospace indusry and I process thousands of SPS bolts a year and their quality controll is of some of the highest(very strict.lol) I have seen in the aerospace industry. High quality product for sure.

 

does sps make a head stud or main ?

 

The SPS CARR (Carrillo) bolt was only avail. from Carrillo. I specified those on some custom Crower's years ago and they were shocked at the cost, because they had given me a quote, before they bought them.

 

hmm so damn carrilos huh damn i want to know if sps makes studs

 

I've asked Carrillo a few times over the years about replacing the CARR bolts.They've said that the bolts will out last the rods.I've never thrown away a CARR bolt.
Glenn

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NJIN BUILDR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've asked Carrillo a few times over the years about replacing the CARR bolts.They've said that the bolts will out last the rods.I've never thrown away a CARR bolt.
Glenn</TD></TR></TABLE>

Whats the actual size on the Carr bolts? 3/8 ? 5/16?

 

Carillo

I have a question though... Do the Carillo A-beam rods come with the CARR bolts as well??

Rocket...You said that they were "offered", would that mean that you can get them seperately or that they all come with these?

Thanks

 

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Whats the actual size on the Carr bolts? 3/8 ? 5/16?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The B stuff is 5/16' (torque is 45# on CARR bolt) and 3/8" on the H (65# for the CARR).The CARR bolt is an upgrade but there standard bolt is a good bolt also.The CARR bolt is overkill for most applications.It does pretty much eliminate the bolt from ever being the problem.
Glenn

 

The CARR bolt would be overkill on the A beam.They offer that rod as a less expensive step from the H beam.It would probably make the A beam w/carr more expensive than the std bolt H beam.
Glenn

 

What application would it be needed?

How about a 250-270whp street motor with Carillo A-beams?

-Thanks


Modified by jd3jdm at 9:34 PM 10/3/2005


Modified by jd3jdm at 9:34 PM 10/3/2005

 

The A beam would be fine in that range.
Glenn

 

thanks

 

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The B stuff is 5/16' (torque is 45# on CARR bolt) and 3/8" on the H (65# for the CARR).The CARR bolt is an upgrade but there standard bolt is a good bolt also.The CARR bolt is overkill for most applications.It does pretty much eliminate the bolt from ever being the problem.
Glenn</TD></TR></TABLE>

So 5/16.. I'm going to pull some strings and see if I can get us some 5/16 SPS bolts and I'll pass on the deal to everyone here. I have some connections over at SPS.

 

http://www.carrilloind.com/05bro4.pdf

This is a pdf of their catalog.The bolt list is on page 6.The CARR bolt may be proprietary to Carrillo as I have never seen any one else use them.Give it a shot.
Glenn

 

Thats why I said SPS and not carr you get the idea.

 

I have a set of 6.025" Cunningham ultralight c-styles that weigh 506g with 3/8" 296,000psi rod bolts. Imagine a 5.394" or 5.430" b-series length rod fashioned in the same style. They would probably be in the mid 450g's I'd guess, maybe less? I don't have an application for those lengths, but it would be nice to see one of these days. Maybe Rocket knows, he knows B-series better than I.

-Ron