As of last Oct, my friend and I put a 1995 GSR OBD1 Motor in my car. ( I bought the motor from H.A.P. $3400 Everything) It took us about a month to get the car running at least cuz they forgot to put alot of important engine components on. So i had to keep going back and forth (Bay 2 Sac) Every so often. So lived in vegas for a month blew my head, got a used one slapped it on, did a valve adjusment. Long story told short. IVE BEEN loosing to Stock Integra GSR's and Barely keeping up with a 99 Si, (My car feels like my old D series)
0. VTEC IS KICKING IN!
1. No oil leaks
2. Oil level is good
3. Checked out wiring harness used a friends JDM gsr , and use my D series too, and im still slow.
4. Tried 1 Obd1 GSR ECU and Of course using mine, and im still slow and i also tried a chipped B16 ECU
5. Timing is good, timing belt brand new
6. Butterflies are opening
7. Throttle plate is opening all the way
8. Changed Fuel Filter
9. Compression is good 210 for 1 and 2 and 195 for 3 and 4
10. No CEL's
11. Replaced spark plug wires
12. No OVERHEATING
13. Replaced Fuel Filter
14. Havent checked fuel pressure - soon
15. New plugs
16. My dizzy is leaking but using a jdm dizzy as of now, car still no power
17. no leak down test soon though

------ ITS NOT ABOUT RACING THAT MAKES THE CAR FEEL SLOW ALL IM TALKING ABOUT IS JUST FLOORING IT IN 1ST OR 2ND OR WHATEVER GEAR, AND THERE IS A LAG, SO DON'T TELL ME I CANT DRIVE CUZ ALL IT TAKES IS JUST ONE PUSH OF THE ACCELERATION PEDAL TO FEEL POWER..---GOSHH-
i test drove my friends EG GSR with a b16 tranny, and it felt really faster and pulled more.
-Note- the only time i felt my car run a lil more responsive is when i used my friends JDM GSR Dizzy. then i slapped back the dizzy hap gave me then it drove the same old non responsive way.

Almost a year and i never posted that much the problems my car has went through from getting it to start and until now when all the CEL's are gone, and tune ups are up to date, and im still slow
its either HAP sold me something crappy or I have no idea

Now i want the EXPERTS(EXPERIENCED) from Honda-tech to advise me what to do
(Warranty is expired for block and head from hap)

1. ANY other trouble shooting tips?
2. Should i bring my car to a local motorsports shop to diagnostic cuz my friend and i tried everything.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME

Updated - Oh yeah Im also using a B16 tranny and im still slow


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Modified by shatchi at 2:26 PM 10/3/2005

 

bump for the lost hope

 

hmmmmm, im no expert..

Is vtec engaging? Would a chipped p28 be better than your current ECU? Have you tried a brand new obd1 ecu? have done a leakdown test?

just throwing somethings out there.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shatchi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">3. Checked out wiring harness used a friends JDM gsr , and use my D series too, and im still slow.
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Hey that was my harness
Bump, hope you get this fixed, im feeling pretty down about my car right now too

 

possible a bad knock sensor ?causing it to retard the **** out of your timing?

did you try a ecu which does not look for a knock sensor?

dunno but thats just a thought!

try advancing your timing thru the dizzy

does the car run good besides the lack of power?

 

the car has power downlow like a gsr should have, but the highend feels like a d16z6 its hard to explain

 

i would look into the knock sensor maybe un plug or as mentioned use a chipped ecu that doesnt look for a knock sensor

vtec is working right?

i know you said timing is good but do you mean physical timing of the motor or did you check timing with a timing gun?

 

can u drive it??

 

Whats your timing at? Get a Timing Light and set it to 16BDC.

 

do you a a check engine light??????????
any codes???????
maybe a restrictive exhaust??
is vtec engaging?? do you hear it?

 

have you checked the distributor??

 

I think about 80% chance its dizzy or ignition coil related

 

that sucks man. I have one possible suggestion. what kind of intake are you using. i have a short ram, and on hot days(I'm talking like above 75) it feels slower than my cavalier. but on cooler days, BEFORE the engine warms up completely it pulls like a ****. the obvious solution is get a cold air intake. a buddy of mine did that and his car feels totally different. its a d15 though. I'm getting a cold air intake soon, hopefully that solves my problem. it might help you out. but I'd try checking your coil and ignitor too. if it runs better with someone elses dizzy. that's probably at least part of your problem. also, i don't know if i did it wrong or what, i don't think so. but i checked my coil and ignitor once according to the Haynes Manuel. and it checked out, but it turned out the ignitor was bad, so try swapping it out with one you know works before you assume its good.

 

intake has absolutely nothing to do with it.. cold air is worthless shortram is alright.. either way its not intake... chack cap and rotor check your timing make sure your plug wires are in the correct spot maybe get new ones oem or ngk is the way to go.. check plugs... check vtec solenoid see if all wires are still intect to it then check the wire mesh in the solenoid itsef to see if it is clogged.. make sure you have plenty of oil low oil can cause vtec to not kick in, at least i have experienced that.. if none of that works let me know i go from there

 

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wtf makes you so sure? underhood temps get pretty hight, especially in hot weather. just because it dosn't make a difference on the dyno with the hood open dosn't mean it dosn't make a difference in the real world. my car runs totally different on hot days, my buddys car didn't even run right before he got cold air. it sounds to me like this guy knows enough to know if vtec is working or not. don't be so quick to discount someone elses knowledge, i've been doing this for a long time

 

clogged catalytic?

 

you probably got the motor that was beat up by it's previous owner

 

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thats a good point too, try a compression check. that should give you a pretty good idea

 

He does know enough to know if vtec is kickin, i hope cuz he is helping work on my car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by littlegreenb18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats a good point too, try a compression check. that should give you a pretty good idea</TD></TR></TABLE>

He already did.

210 for 1 and 2, 195 3 and 4

I hope you figure this out man. 3500 for a swap that isn't cutting it really hurts.

 

I think you need to switch the dizzy out. It could be a faulty TDC sensor in the dizzy that is just about to fail but not enough to throw the code. I've had that problem before.

also could be ignition coil, dizzy cap, rotor, etc.

Probably a mixutre of things but it all seems ignition related to me

 

Okay let me reexplain, MY vtec kicks in, this is my 3rd knock sensor im using, and my timing is advanced all the way! and im using a brand new dizzy that H.A.P. gave me, because the one they gave me before when i bought the changeover, was leaking OIL from the bottom part of the CAP =/
i used my friends JDM dizzy and my car ran LIL smoother and faster, so i dunno MY LAST option is probably something to do with FUEL or i dunno HELP is needed and advise plz

 

also for the intake im just using the factory intake with an air filter on it, thats it...
i havent tried a BRAND new dizzy but I did try 2 other obd1 gsr ECU's and a chipped P28 ecu, the p28 ecu just made my idle stay at 1K firm. Also i have not done any leakdown test, MAYBE i should but my compression is at 210 for CYL 1 and 2 and for 3&4 its 195...


thanks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18cnemesis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you a a check engine light??????????
any codes???????
maybe a restrictive exhaust??
is vtec engaging?? do you hear it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

im using stock cat, to a 2.5 akimoto exhaust with no resonator to a stock civic muffler, i dunno if a restrictive exhaust would be the problem for me to be loosing to stock gsr's from the line and on a rolling start..
remember my car is torquey but no go, its all talk but no walk

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmchop &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">possible a bad knock sensor ?causing it to retard the **** out of your timing?

does the car run good besides the lack of power?

</TD></TR></TABLE> car runs fine