91 Integra Autox Recs?
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91 Integra Autox Recs?
Just starting autox my 91 Integra (daily driver, 290k mi, STS class)and trying to figure out what would be the next couple upgrades that would give me the best bang for the buck. Here is what I've got so far, all installed in the last year:
Tires - Falken RT-215's, size 195/60/14
Shocks - F/R KYB AGX/KYB GR2
Springs - H&R Sport Spring
Front upper shock tower brace
The sway bars are both stock and I was looking at the Suspension Techniques set and from measuring my bars are only about 1mm thicker, though the poly bushings they come with should help too. I'm about sold on this being my next step, Thoughts/Recs?
What about the rest of the braces everyone else and their brothers sell? How much do they actually help and how much is for show? I can kind of see an upper rear bar, but can't really see that the lower F/R will do a whole lot. Then again with the mileage my car has, it might need all the stiffening it can get.
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Mike
Tires - Falken RT-215's, size 195/60/14
Shocks - F/R KYB AGX/KYB GR2
Springs - H&R Sport Spring
Front upper shock tower brace
The sway bars are both stock and I was looking at the Suspension Techniques set and from measuring my bars are only about 1mm thicker, though the poly bushings they come with should help too. I'm about sold on this being my next step, Thoughts/Recs?
What about the rest of the braces everyone else and their brothers sell? How much do they actually help and how much is for show? I can kind of see an upper rear bar, but can't really see that the lower F/R will do a whole lot. Then again with the mileage my car has, it might need all the stiffening it can get.
TIA
Mike
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Re: 91 Integra Autox Recs? (auslander)
#1: I don't have the exact figures but I would assume that the 195/60/14 tires you have are probably taller (and obviously skinnier) than a 205/50/15. Therefor You should look at getting some 205/50/15s and some light 15x7.5 wheels (7.5 might be hard to find so you might have to settle for only 7).
#2: Some good adjustable shocks. Basic Koni yellows are the popular choice for the money.
#3: Forget factory picked springs (i.e. "sport" springs). Get some linear rates of your choice. 400f/600r is a popular starting point.
#4: The largest rear bar you can find is also a good investment.
#5: Various "barz" (excluding swaybars) are the absolute worst bang for the buck.
#2: Some good adjustable shocks. Basic Koni yellows are the popular choice for the money.
#3: Forget factory picked springs (i.e. "sport" springs). Get some linear rates of your choice. 400f/600r is a popular starting point.
#4: The largest rear bar you can find is also a good investment.
#5: Various "barz" (excluding swaybars) are the absolute worst bang for the buck.
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He mentioned STS, unfortunately neither of these are allowed in this class.
Listen to Rine's list. Bang for the buck though, nothing beats more seat time.
After that, suggestions #1 or #4 would help alot. Maybe first try and sell off the 14's and move to the 15's. There are more rim choices that are generally lighter and wider (and will support the wider tires better). This would also be an excuse to move to the newer Azenis 615 or the Kumho MX or even the Hankook RS-something. These might be better choices for Atlanta heat, since the 215's are known to get greasy in high ambient temps/multiple drivers/both. Might want to see what happens after this week @ Nationals before you make you decision on brand. Heck you might even be able to pick up a set of the afforementioned tires from someone who ran Nats. (hint: watch SCCAforums.com)
A DA should also be able to use the ED/EF swaybars (at least it works the other way around). So if you can't find a really big rear bar, try the one for the 88-91 Civic/CRX.
He mentioned STS, unfortunately neither of these are allowed in this class.
Listen to Rine's list. Bang for the buck though, nothing beats more seat time.
After that, suggestions #1 or #4 would help alot. Maybe first try and sell off the 14's and move to the 15's. There are more rim choices that are generally lighter and wider (and will support the wider tires better). This would also be an excuse to move to the newer Azenis 615 or the Kumho MX or even the Hankook RS-something. These might be better choices for Atlanta heat, since the 215's are known to get greasy in high ambient temps/multiple drivers/both. Might want to see what happens after this week @ Nationals before you make you decision on brand. Heck you might even be able to pick up a set of the afforementioned tires from someone who ran Nats. (hint: watch SCCAforums.com)
A DA should also be able to use the ED/EF swaybars (at least it works the other way around). So if you can't find a really big rear bar, try the one for the 88-91 Civic/CRX.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XrcR6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bang for the buck though, nothing beats more seat time.
A DA should also be able to use the ED/EF swaybars (at least it works the other way around). So if you can't find a really big rear bar, try the one for the 88-91 Civic/CRX.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The suspension mods I did was before I decided to start autox so while some of the pieces aren't optimal (springs, shocks) they're a lot better than stock and I really like the way the car handles. This is also my daily driver that gets a lot of mileage so the suspension has to be something I can live with. If the springs were much stiffer I couldn't live with it. Point is, I gotta live with this thing on the street and I don't wanna rip everything out and start over, can't afford it. Eventually, I might get some good tires for my street rims (lightweight 17x7's) but for right now I got the best tires for the least $$$ that I could find so I can run somewhat decent and get the seatime for cheap (got 14" tires to go on the stock rims that were collecting dust). I figured at this point, better to spend my money on stuff that doesn't wear out (swaybars...) instead of something that does (tires) so when I figure out what I'm doing and can take advantage of good tires, I'll have the money.
I did find a Progress rear bar that was 22mm (stock measures at 17.5 or so) and was pretty sold on it. The biggest thing I've noticed with the car is that it slides the nose (with the 17's and all-season tires, haven't had a chance to run the azeni's).
I didn't think the strut tower bar would do much, but it was cheap and since my car has so many miles (290k) I thought maybe it could help eliminate some of the squeaks and rattles. I know that a body, especially unibody can loosen up over time and while I wouldn't worry about it with a car that doesn't have many miles, it couldn't hurt...
TIA
Mike
A DA should also be able to use the ED/EF swaybars (at least it works the other way around). So if you can't find a really big rear bar, try the one for the 88-91 Civic/CRX.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The suspension mods I did was before I decided to start autox so while some of the pieces aren't optimal (springs, shocks) they're a lot better than stock and I really like the way the car handles. This is also my daily driver that gets a lot of mileage so the suspension has to be something I can live with. If the springs were much stiffer I couldn't live with it. Point is, I gotta live with this thing on the street and I don't wanna rip everything out and start over, can't afford it. Eventually, I might get some good tires for my street rims (lightweight 17x7's) but for right now I got the best tires for the least $$$ that I could find so I can run somewhat decent and get the seatime for cheap (got 14" tires to go on the stock rims that were collecting dust). I figured at this point, better to spend my money on stuff that doesn't wear out (swaybars...) instead of something that does (tires) so when I figure out what I'm doing and can take advantage of good tires, I'll have the money.
I did find a Progress rear bar that was 22mm (stock measures at 17.5 or so) and was pretty sold on it. The biggest thing I've noticed with the car is that it slides the nose (with the 17's and all-season tires, haven't had a chance to run the azeni's).
I didn't think the strut tower bar would do much, but it was cheap and since my car has so many miles (290k) I thought maybe it could help eliminate some of the squeaks and rattles. I know that a body, especially unibody can loosen up over time and while I wouldn't worry about it with a car that doesn't have many miles, it couldn't hurt...
TIA
Mike
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