Hey everyone... I'm about to purchase a 1993 Civic VX with a 2000 Integra Type R Swap.



Anyway, since it's a 2000 Swap... There aren't any OEM Upgrades, are there? Typically with any other B-Series, parts are interchangable to have more power relized (i.e P30 Pistons in an LS/VTEC, with CTR cams, etc etc)

I'm the type of guy who likes to try and keep in the OEM for the most part... But Damn, there really aren't any upgrades here, are there? I'm looking to put in some more aggressive Camshafts, and perhaps a different Header of some kind. Although I like how the engine bay looks generally OEM as is, and from what I've heard, there aren't many Headers that can top ITR.

So what do you guys think? Just throw me some opinions.

Thanks in advance,

 

The Hybrid forum would probably know more. There are lots of header choices but I'm unsure of fitiment due to the swap. All depends how much money you want to spend and what the future plans for the motor are. ie: mild or full build, FI, etc

 

Well, I wouldn't want to go Forced Induction with this car... For some reason it doesn't feel right, haha.

I think I'll be going Mild/Sports build, I'm not looking for an insane performance machine. Just something to give me a bit more power.

I'll try the Hybrid Forum, thanks.

 

Is it a JDM Swap? If so, nope, you could put a CTR intake cam in and gain 1-2hp, but it's hardly worth it. You could always but CTR pistons in but that would shoot the CR through the roof.

 

i know that toda makes a bad *** header for the type r. but its kinda of on the pricey side.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZedEx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, I wouldn't want to go Forced Induction with this car... For some reason it doesn't feel right, haha.

I think I'll be going Mild/Sports build, I'm not looking for an insane performance machine. Just something to give me a bit more power.

I'll try the Hybrid Forum, thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>Once you go boost, you'll never want to go back. http://www.full-race.com
Anyway, Hybrid forum will probably be 1000 times more useful than this forum. I've got a ITR badge on my civic, so I'm allowed to post here.
Header and exhaust will help. Light weight flywheel (Or go carbon clutch if you got money rollen out of your ****). But above all, a good engine management system and a good tuner will be able to get you some extra horses.
Otherwise put your money into suspension and brakes. I've seen cars with 100 hp out drive 911's and C5's at VIR and Summit.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrlegoman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Once you go boost, you'll never want to go back. </TD></TR></TABLE>

&lt;-----Must fight urge to fall to the dark side!

For what you want a mildly modded R motor will suit you just fine. I know you want to try and keep an oem engine bay, but trust me once you see that toda header in place of stock, to play off of what mrlegoman said: once you mod, youll never go back.

If you buy quality parts like Toda, You will actually have better fittment then stock, better flow, and most of all more *bling* under the hood

Also I would reccomend getting a comptech Ice box and intake system if you are looking for performance with an oem look.

 

The Powertrain is from H-Motors Online... The guy selling it is a personal friend of mine, MADPSEED built the car. I've seen it come together.

As of now... I've $2,200 to spend on this car. So I'm going ***** out suspension (Still deciding what components to use).

By the way. As for the braking system, GSR full Brake conversion, with Type R Master Cylinder and Brake Booster. I'm thinking of going with Wilwood a bit later down the line.

And this Comptech Ice Box... It looks somewhat OEM? With performance gains?

Thanks in advance,

 

Ah ha... I see





By the way... What type of Header is THAT? That's what I'm getting, haha.

It almost looks like a Pro-Speed Header... I wasn't aware they made a Header for the B-Series engine?

 

This is what you have :



And This is what you want:

 

I think u should get a 1 or 2 layer headgasket to bump compression, Some nice cams (JUN3, Skunk Stg2's, m22x, etc), I nice high end header, Hondata s200, and that comptech icebox.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1364469

 

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looks like DTR b-unit header. Is it?

 

Yeah, I'd like to know what Header that is as well...

I was thinking some Toda C Camshafts, with full Toda Valvetrain... That would pretty much wipe out my funds, but with a good bottom end balance, I could rev safely into about 10,000-11,000RPM... Correct?

As for the tuning. I'm letting my guy over at PROJEK Tuning take his swing at it like always. I trust his work. CROME seems to be a pretty good program. I'm going to Dyno before and after, so I'll keep you guys posted

 

Oh and as for that header...

Don't know how I feel about spending $1,000 on a Header

 

i thought you wanted to keep it looking oem?? anyways your itr header could be sould for about 300 bucks, sell it and use that to save for a header like rmf or smsp or anr

 

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i think its a toda header

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZedEx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, I'd like to know what Header that is as well...

I was thinking some Toda C Camshafts, with full Toda Valvetrain... That would pretty much wipe out my funds, but with a good bottom end balance, I could rev safely into about 10,000-11,000RPM... Correct?

As for the tuning. I'm letting my guy over at PROJEK Tuning take his swing at it like always. I trust his work. CROME seems to be a pretty good program. I'm going to Dyno before and after, so I'll keep you guys posted </TD></TR></TABLE>

Your compression is not high enough for Toda C's. Get Toda B's. Don't get the Toda header, get an SMSP, or an RMF header. You won't need to rev that high, you won't make power up until then, you'll prolly be reving to 9,000, maybe 9,200 but no more than that.

 

RMF... Hmmm, I need to search for that.

I was thinking about the ANR Header. What's your opinion on that?

 

http://www.sparkracing.com/pro...f6d68

and if u wanna save money, dont get the toda cams. Look into some Rocket M22x or some Skunk2 Pro1's

 

First there are alot of header way better than the jdm type R.
Yes that is a randy header very good power. Just get gangster with it and CHEEP.
blox cams, comptech ice box good choice woks well, a sparks header mad gains on those small motors, and if you want get the ctr pistons and 310cc injectors did that combo 3 years ago an an eg and went 12.4's all day long motor is still around. Oh an port that B16 head of yours. belive me I use to do the factory honda stuff and worked well but those cams got to goooo.

 

from my experience anr is a great header, well i have the ericks racing header... i think they're the same

 

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Its the best oem header on the market for the b-series, but I assume you mean compared to aftermarket headers which although holds its own with many cheaper companies (dc, greddy, and others) obviously there's gonna be better "aftermarket" ones?!? He was trying to keep things oem this is why he wanted to stick with the JDM R and in terms of oem that is the best.

As for the header in the picture I listed, Yes its a Toda header and IMO there is no better header then that for the price (except for a more expensive Hytech). Also it fits better then oem and if for anyreason you were to some how hit it, it's basically dent-free. Quality is top notch!

Specs on motor: (Taken From https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1277510)
- 1.8l gsr block
- .025” overbore integra type r pistons
- integra type r head
- integra type r intake manifold
- accel 255cc injectors
- overbore civic si throttle body
- injen short ram intake with filter removed
- b&m fuel pressure regulator
- titan motorsports cam gears
- jun type II intake cam
- integra type r exhaust cam
- all dyno runs were made open header

Hytech vs. Toda



Toda vs. Comptech Race Header



just some food for thought

 

hytech has their production header for less than the toda
hytech vs smsp vs dtr vs rmf vs anr
http://www.tunerzine.com/news/....html

 

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hytech vs smsp vs dtr vs rmf vs anr
http://www.tunerzine.com/news/....html</TD></TR></TABLE>

Whoops I was looking at the entire system I think. So 799 for Hytech isnt bad, but either one you go with is well worth it. Better to do it right the first time around.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cptengineer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First there are alot of header way better than the jdm type R.
Yes that is a randy header very good power. Just get gangster with it and CHEEP.
blox cams, comptech ice box good choice woks well, a sparks header mad gains on those small motors, and if you want get the ctr pistons and 310cc injectors did that combo 3 years ago an an eg and went 12.4's all day long motor is still around. Oh an port that B16 head of yours. belive me I use to do the factory honda stuff and worked well but those cams got to goooo. </TD></TR></TABLE>

... CTR Camshafts are the same as 2000 ITR Camshafts. Identical. I don't have a B16 Head, the engine is B18C5. B16B Pistons would throw the Compression Ratio off the charts, I'll get to those after the Head is fully built.

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Its the best oem header on the market for the b-series, but I assume you mean compared to aftermarket headers which although holds its own with many cheaper companies (dc, greddy, and others) obviously there's gonna be better "aftermarket" ones?!? He was trying to keep things oem this is why he wanted to stick with the JDM R and in terms of oem that is the best.

As for the header in the picture I listed, Yes its a Toda header and IMO there is no better header then that for the price (except for a more expensive Hytech). Also it fits better then oem and if for anyreason you were to some how hit it, it's basically dent-free. Quality is top notch!

Specs on motor: (Taken From https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1277510)
- 1.8l gsr block
- .025” overbore integra type r pistons
- integra type r head
- integra type r intake manifold
- accel 255cc injectors
- overbore civic si throttle body
- injen short ram intake with filter removed
- b&m fuel pressure regulator
- titan motorsports cam gears
- jun type II intake cam
- integra type r exhaust cam
- all dyno runs were made open header </TD></TR></TABLE>

I appreciate that information. It should come in handy. But why were the Dyno runs done open header? Was the engine THAT high powered? A guy I know (Larry at RPM Motorsports out of Jacksonville, NC) Dyno'd his B20/VTEC (B16A Head with B16B Camshafts, stock B20 Bottom end with PHK [B20Z] Pistons... Other than that, it's completely stock) and he LOST 9 Horse Power with Open Header.

Anyway, I think I'll look into the RMF Header, it looks like it did the best. 10whp gain out of a Header isn't too bad . Thanks for all the advice