I have a 93 del sol s i've been thinking about doing a h22 swap , but the $$$ over doing a B series along with the handling problems have me confused. i mainly want to do a h22 swap due to the extra torque. I'm open to any help on this supject. I'm afraid if i do a gsr i'll regret not doing the h22. my biggest issue at hand is this is gonna be a daily driver so with high gas prices turbo is out. I just want something fun to drive yet good on gas. Maybe i'm overlooking the power the gsr can produce. if anyone has a h22 in a del sol and has any ideas as far as springs and coil over what works good for them. I live 30 mins ffrom where i work up a mountion. lots of 25 mph turns so handing is also a big issue. thanks for any help

 

Ok seriously, the h22 in a del sol....Bad idea, the weight difference of that motor has such a signifigant impact on the balance of the car that it will actually probibly kill you! I go to drag's every tuesday and friday and just last week watched a 92 bubble back civic go through the traps at 122mph and when he went to slow down the car nosedived and put him into the wall, totalling the car! It's like an endo in a car, nuts. Your better off to go with a hybrid swap like a b18 lower and a b16 upper off and sir-2. Great power and acceleration, I have the same in my 95 ex coupe and I had a jdm itr b18c-5 before that and this smokes it. If your interested in some contacts, reply back and I'll hook ya up.

 

so, your saying a b18c1 with a b16a2 head was faster than a b18c5 eh? crazy! I woulda thought it'd be the other way around!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dark_Sol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just want something fun to drive yet good on gas. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The gsr motor will suit your needs perfectly.

Ive driven an h22 del sol, its just no fun, its TOO fast.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by one bad dx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I go to drag's every tuesday and friday and just last week watched a 92 bubble back civic go through the traps at 122mph and when he went to slow down the car nosedived and put him into the wall, totalling the car! It's like an endo in a car, nuts.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dark_Sol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I live 30 mins ffrom where i work up a mountion. lots of 25 mph turns so handing is also a big issue. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok, 122mph....vs 25mph... apples and oranges. If you are worried about handling in the mountain passes, just drive 25mph. Or invest in a good/quality suspension setup. The weight difference isnt THAT big where it would cause you to nosedive off the side of the mountain. The difference between the two motors only turned out to be like...what....60lbs.

Plus, ONE incident where an h22 civic crashes into a wall doesnt mean ALL h22 civics will crash into walls. Perhaps his brakes failed? Think about it, 60lbs extra up front is not going to make your car some undriveable deathtrap.

But seriously, lets not try to be Takumi and just drive the speed limit, k?

James

 

any contacts would help not much around this part of va. I havent fully desided on what to drop in i'm looking for low 9's in the 1/8. i figured the h22 would give me the torque and hp to get it there with little mods. after all gas the way it's going might be better of with a insite as a daily driver if they werent so slow. yeah just e-mail me what contacts you got than ks

 

you want to run low 9's in the 1/8th mile?
so you want take a really light weight car and dump a heavy, torquie(sp?) motor in it and run slower?


drop a b16a1 into it and build it.

 

Turbo it with a IC and BOV and you'll be rolling Or go type r and get the great feel and response of all motor

 

I'd say do a little more research. The difference between the H22 and B series motors is not a large as some people make it out to be. We're not talking about hundreds of lbs heavier.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by one bad dx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok seriously, the h22 in a del sol....Bad idea, the weight difference of that motor has such a signifigant impact on the balance of the car that it will actually probibly kill you! I go to drag's every tuesday and friday and just last week watched a 92 bubble back civic go through the traps at 122mph and when he went to slow down the car nosedived and put him into the wall, totalling the car! It's like an endo in a car, nuts. Your better off to go with a hybrid swap like a b18 lower and a b16 upper off and sir-2. Great power and acceleration, I have the same in my 95 ex coupe and I had a jdm itr b18c-5 before that and this smokes it. If your interested in some contacts, reply back and I'll hook ya up.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This information is a bit misleading. Many people have been drag racing for years with an H22 swapped Civic or Del Sol w/out any issues. You're making it seem as if the H swap is so heavy, when it's actually not much heavier than a B swap.
A million different problems could have happened to cause that accident.
If you're using a B18 block and B16 head, with the stock pistons, you've dropped your compression considerably when putting that motor together. And if it's faster than your ITR swap, then your ITR swap wasn't running up to par.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ROK801 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you want to run low 9's in the 1/8th mile?
so you want take a really light weight car and dump a heavy, torquie(sp?) motor in it and run slower?


drop a b16a1 into it and build it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Del Sol's aren't that light. B16's don't have any torque, which is what it looks like he's after.

 

Just remember, with H22's you should be running higher octane, if you want a car that's gonna be decent on gas mileage but still pretty quick, B16 is probably your way.

But if you just want a fast car, H22 would be great, just make sure that you're suspension is top notch before you do. It's not so much the weight difference, it's that the H22 will sit a bit further up on the car, which yes, does make a noticably larger difference. But, like everything, good suspension will deter this difference.

 

holy ******* misinformation.


disregard pretty much everything in this thread, besides rodrez's post.


that is all.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SovXietday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just remember, with H22's you should be running higher octane, if you want a car that's gonna be decent on gas mileage but still pretty quick, B16 is probably your way.
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So what octane does a b16 need?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rodrez. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Del Sol's aren't that light. B16's don't have any torque, which is what it looks like he's after. </TD></TR></TABLE>

b20 maybe?
torque for days...
you can build a high compression b20 and have tons of torque and not have the displacement awkwardness that the h22 would create.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by one bad dx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok seriously, the h22 in a del sol....Bad idea, the weight difference of that motor has such a signifigant impact on the balance of the car that it will actually probibly kill you! I go to drag's every tuesday and friday and just last week watched a 92 bubble back civic go through the traps at 122mph and when he went to slow down the car nosedived and put him into the wall, totalling the car! It's like an endo in a car, nuts. Your better off to go with a hybrid swap like a b18 lower and a b16 upper off and sir-2. Great power and acceleration, I have the same in my 95 ex coupe and I had a jdm itr b18c-5 before that and this smokes it. If your interested in some contacts, reply back and I'll hook ya up.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dont ever post here again.....******* idiot.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what octane does a b16 need?</TD></TR></TABLE>

D'oh. Thanks for correcting me on that.

 

i say keep it clean keep it simple. just drop in a b16 and some skunk2 full coilovers

 

My friend on here has a del sol with stock b18a boosted just ran a 13.8 at bandamire (5800 elevation) Put a built B18 ls Swap and you will still have all the torque you need and boosted you can be damn fast 10's or so depending on what you have and what not.

 

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b20 maybe?
torque for days...
you can build a high compression b20 and have tons of torque and not have the displacement awkwardness that the h22 would create.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sure, there's countless other avenues he could take to get torque. But one could argue about the cost of building a B20V, the thin cylinder walls, the legality, etc. I personally wouldn't do an H22 swap, as I've driven a few, but I hate to see post after post of incorrect information killing the swap, as if it's next to impossible, when in reality, it can work perfectly fine on a daily driven car.


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But again, he's looking for torque. No offense to those that own a B16 (I've had 3 or 4 personally), but they're pathetic in the torque department.

 

yu know i love these ppl that complain about the xtra weight, but then they have 4 friends in their car hauling *** on the freeway. so lets see dont u think that might b a littel bit more weight then the h22 alone? now i know that 4 ppl in the car doesnt mean extra weight at the very front of the car, but thats still a lot of ppl in a car and it still handles fine.

i dont know why but everyone talkign down the H22 in a Civic/delsol/crx platform in this post seems to just post what they heard from soemone else cause they themselfes dont know jack **** what their talking about.

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i agree with rodrez, but hey i allrdy have a h23 and i got a EH3 which im puttn in there. now the eh3 i think is even lighter then the del sol, and i know plenty of ppl that have em without problems.

Just dont do anything stupid with it, and keep yer car maintained and u wont have any problems.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550 You all need 2 read this!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rodrez. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Sure, there's countless other avenues he could take to get torque. But one could argue about the cost of building a B20V, the thin cylinder walls, the legality, etc. I personally wouldn't do an H22 swap, as I've driven a few, but I hate to see post after post of incorrect information killing the swap, as if it's next to impossible, when in reality, it can work perfectly fine on a daily driven car.


But again, he's looking for torque. No offense to those that own a B16 (I've had 3 or 4 personally), but they're pathetic in the torque department.

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I couldn't agree more Everyone like the asshat I quoted earlier think they know but have no personal experience with it. Only what their mothers friend told them about it

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatchish &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550 You all need 2 read this!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Finally someone posted this link. I lost it a long time ago or I would have done it myself. Not much of a weight gain when comparing H to B is there.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jbell &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">holy ******* misinformation.


disregard pretty much everything in this thread, besides rodrez's post.


that is all. </TD></TR></TABLE>

x2. I actually own an H22 in 93 sol 's'. PM me if you want my take. Check my bio for setup and slips. Your suspension setup has FAR more to do with your cornering ability than whether you have a B or an H.

 

i had a h22 delsol handling is not a big issue its a fun car to drive its fast but the only thing i recommend if you are going to slam your car dont get the h22 because the oil pan,headers,and tranny sits low my headers took alot of punishment only a few inches from the ground so i had to raise my car thats really the main problem, but is fast and fun to drive oh and dont rev that motor past 7900 bcause those motors tend to spin their bearings... ive never been on a gs-r delsol so i dont know much about that swap in that car..

R.I.P delsol

 

id say save up for a supra....anyway the that kid who postes abou that h22 swap into the wall...i got another vin diesel quote for you.

"almost had ME, looK you never had your car" wow the kid must live his "life a quarter mile at a time"

 

As far as that h22 swap going into the wall, if that happened, it was complete driver error. ~50 lbs of weight difference over a B series will not cause catastrophic problems like that. Build your suspension for the weight and you won't even notice.