Im looking to hit 200whp (tuned with vafc) and into the low 13's high 12's in a 1991 crx SI.

This is What is going in real sooooooon.
LS Block and Crank (balanced rotating assembly)
81.5mm CTR pistons
Recon'd LS Rods with ARP Bolts
Cometic .040" Headgasket
Mild P + P and valve job
b17 (Pr3) Head
Nology Hot wires
Skunk2 Stage 1 cams and cam gears
JDM **** JSR ITR intake manifold
JDM **** 4-1 Header with 2.5 Collector
Hondata Intake Manifold Gasket
CTR crank pulley (going fluidamper later on)
Fidanza 8lb. Flywheel
Generic 2.75" Ebay CAIntake
Race Cat
2.5" Exhaust
Exedy Clutch
Y1 w/LSD tranny


I got a PR3 ECU that Im leaving at the stock rev limit.



Modified by LSV_REX at 4:51 PM 9/8/2005

 

IMO you should use Turboedit (if you are OBD0) or Crome (if you are OBD1). With those you can can tune your timing as well as your fuel. You can also do stuff like full throttle launch/full throttle shift, adjust VTEC x-over, raise your rev limit and a few other things.

 

I think Stage 2's would be a much better choice if you're trying to hit 12's. Other than that, you should be alright.

I agree with BlueShadow with going w/a different type of management system. VAFC is pretty much a ricey LED show. Something with timing adjustment and air/fuel adjustment would be much more effective.

 

Everything you listed seems pretty good for a LS/VTEC buildup but the pistons and rods. If your going to for 200 HP, I would get CP (preferred) or Wiseco pistons and ultralite rods. Also, I would get GSR oil and water pumps.

 

I would get A ACT flywheel instead of fidanza

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91 crx savage &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would get A ACT flywheel instead of fidanza</TD></TR></TABLE>

Really? That's great. Responses like these are absolutely useless. You don't even have any input on why you would choose the ACT over the Fidanza. Post *****.

 

he has a whole wopping 77 posts, compared to your 400 somthin, so your post sir, was useless

 

everyone stop peeing on each other.

seems like your goals are great i just don't see 12s with out slicks LSD and prayers.

200WHP I can see if a good tune oh yea obd1 &gt; obd0

 

just curious....what B18 block are you using?

 

Yeah I know the VAFC is a poor choice as far as tuning, but I already bought all this crap and just want to put it in and worry about it later. Its gonna cost another $700-$1000 to convert to OBD1 for hondata for another 10hp, and I never even heard of turboedit. I planned on going with stage 2 or even 3 cams when I have the money to do the valve train, especially because of the compression being so high. As for a block its a b18a out of 92 Teg. Oh yeah, already have a GSR oil pump and water pump. Thanks though.

 

hmm...

vafc "tricks" your comp.

with an lsvtec build like yours i would not skip on tunning. this is the most important aspect of your entire car. especially if your gonna run high compression and a milled head.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mar778c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Everything you listed seems pretty good for a LS/VTEC buildup but the pistons and rods. If your going to for 200 HP, I would get CP (preferred) or Wiseco pistons and ultralite rods. Also, I would get GSR oil and water pumps.</TD></TR></TABLE>

im using jdm itr pistons in my b18c1, i put down 170whp untuned on an otherwise stock block and stock head with the exception of 00' jdm itr/ctr cams. this was with the oem gsr intake manifold w/ the butterflies disingaged in the open position, jdm dc 4-1 to, test pipe and crush bent 2.25" exhaust. the pistons will work excellent since they are extremely light weight and the walls are coated. since your eliminating the factory problems with the b18 crank vibration problem above 7k rpms and the weak rod bolts with balancing and reconditioning i see no reason why you should venture outside oem parts.

dont worry i will soon prove it...ill be jumping her from obd0 to obd1 with all the locash goodies some time next week. i am confident she will reach 200whp with all oem parts and the flow restrictions eliminated. dyno charts to come...and a shamless plug for jeff and james : NEPTUNE &gt; ALL

ask yourself..can chrome do individual cyclinder trim?

edit: $600 will get you a p28, jumper harness, dyno time & an awesome RELIABLE tune. all you'll need is an obd1 dist. check out neptunes sight for a Tuner near you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ace$nyper &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">everyone stop peeing on each other.

seems like your goals are great i just don't see 12s with out slicks LSD and prayers.

200WHP I can see if a good tune oh yea obd1 &gt; obd0</TD></TR></TABLE>
What about DOT's???? Not quite as good as the real deal slicks, but better than Falken Ziex's or KDW TA's?

 

y dont you get the AEM EMS. much easier to work with

 

I weas actually looking at that new Greddy system. Does anyone know if its good?

As far as ACT over Fidanza- Response from the machine shop owner who looked at the Fidanza Flywheel after 30 seconds of examination- "Wow. That's nice. A lot of work went into this."
I'm poor and already own it too, lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX_Phantom1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">y dont you get the AEM EMS. much easier to work with</TD></TR></TABLE>

the AEM EMS is far too complicated not to mention far too overpriced for his setup. Why get an EMS as expensive and as complex as the AEM EMS when you wont be using it to it's full potential. Turboedit and Crome are both a step above a VAFC as far as features go, but they are less expensive then a VAFC.

LSV_REX,

A Crome or turboedit setup will both be less expensive then a VAFC and Emanage. They will also have more adjustability then the VAFC and Emanage too.

 

crome? Won't I need a laptop to tune it with that?

 

stay with fidenza i believe its lighter and we have better experiences with them on our cars.

Don't get a **** intake, AEM makes intakes for hybrids like LS into crx etc. those **** intakes only rob power in my opinion

also instead of just wires, get MSD get alot more spark and more responsive, also you can get the 2step which is launch control.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSV_REX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">crome? Won't I need a laptop to tune it with that?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes, but if you dont have one then you should buy one or at least borrow a laptop from a friend. If you have to buy a laptop then it makes the Crome setup more expensive then the VAFC. But it is still a lot more better then having a simple VAFC.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by paopao &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think Stage 2's would be a much better choice if you're trying to hit 12's. Other than that, you should be alright.

I agree with BlueShadow with going w/a different type of management system. VAFC is pretty much a ricey LED show. Something with timing adjustment and air/fuel adjustment would be much more effective.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ace$nyper &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">everyone stop peeing on each other.

seems like your goals are great i just don't see 12s with out slicks LSD and prayers.

200WHP I can see if a good tune oh yea obd1 &gt; obd0</TD></TR></TABLE>

couldnt have siad it better myself

 

I have a b18c5 bottom end completly ballenced and blue printed. crower rods. je pistons portflow b16 head crower stage 3 cams valves valve springs and retainers. skunk 2 cam gears. with a ys1 with a lsd and Individual throttle bodies. tuned with chrome on the dyno at 222whp with rev limit set at 10k and It runs a 12.6 in a eg with full interior on a conservative tune

 

oem is your friend!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mikecivichb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a b18c5 bottom end completly ballenced and blue printed. crower rods. je pistons portflow b16 head crower stage 3 cams valves valve springs and retainers. skunk 2 cam gears. with a ys1 with a lsd and Individual throttle bodies. tuned with chrome on the dyno at 222whp with rev limit set at 10k and It runs a 12.6 in a eg with full interior on a conservative tune </TD></TR></TABLE>

That gives me a lot less hope for 200whp. Stage 3 cams and ITBs, along with a portflow head with 222whp. I know you said "conservative" though. What do you think the car would do with a better tune? Oh and what's your c/r???

 

i would get bigger cams, and some slicks and a spare set of axles or upgraded axles

 

compression is at 12:1 it was tuned on stock cam gears...... got skunk 2 cam gears on it now. and am going to get it retuned im hopeing for 230 too 237whp also it was with a b16 tranny with lsd

 

oh and by the way I break axels all the time im saving up for axels now