Hello everyone. I'm newer to this site, but I've been researching on it for around 6 months now. I feel it's finally time to ask my specific question. I want to build a high hp streetable car. The streetable just means street legal that I can drive every day or every other day without much problems. I'm really wanting high hp numbers. I'm not sure to go with the Prelude, because of difficulty of finding parts. I like the Prelude because it's a little bigger and seems logically it would be more stable at high speeds. If I can't get the numbers I'm looking for out of a prelude, I have no choice than to turn to the GSR Integra. I'm looking for 400hp, or low 12s in quarter. I'm also very interested in autoX, more so than drag. Thanks for you help.

 

400hp takes a lot. youll have to get a turbo or if your rich and have tons of money to dump on the car, you CAN have a 400hp car N/A. go with the prelude...they are unique!!

 

400hp autox car have fun with that espically fwd. you want that much hp you going to have to go fi and i would rather have a n/a car for an auto x car anyways. aw 4gen 4ws prelude would be good for autox better then a gsr and just swap a h22a into it.

 

You can get 400whp no problem out of an H series. I've done several set-ups that have broken that barrier.

The question is... what are you willing to sacrifice (a/c, etc) and how much are you looking to spend? Honestly... it's going to take a minimum of $11k to get you where you want to be power wise.... reguardless of it's a gsr or prelude.

 

i think that preludes are WAY better daily drivers. but 400whp daily driven is asking quite a bit out of a prelude, or any car for that matter. a bigger motor will help you get that kind of power, so the H22 is a good place to start. build a H23 VTEC, build a costom turbo kit, and get some nice coilovers. and if you have a 400hp integra, it will get stolen faster than it will run the 1/4 mile.

 

Don't waste your time with the h23 vtec. The straight h22 can hit 400 no problem.

 

Besides the fact that you're in "Prelude" asking people to pick between a Prelude and an Integra.....

Also, I see a LOT more "ANOTHER INTEGRA STOLEN" threads - I'm not even sure if I've seen a thread of a prelude getting jacked.

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The question is... what are you willing to sacrifice (a/c, etc) and how much are you looking to spend? Honestly... it's going to take a minimum of $11k to get you where you want to be power wise.... reguardless of it's a gsr or prelude.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree! But do you really need 400+whp? I guess you can kill yourself in less time that way..... j/k

 

If you really want to get into autocross and compete, you have a lot of other research to do (assuming you haven't already).

You'll want to pick what class you want to compete in, so you can determine how to go about modding your car. It sounds like you'll probably want to run in Street Mod, where you can add turbos or superchargers and lots of other stuff, but there are still rules to consider.

On top of that, while I don't know this for sure, but it seems to me that 400 hp is going to break a lot of axles if you do autox it a lot. You might want to ask other autocrossers with high-hp fwd cars to see what they say.

Rob

 

I love my prelude, but your asking a lot. You might want to look at some other car options that fit what your trying to do a little bit better.

 

There are a bunch of preludes out there with turbo's pushing that kind of power and more. The key will be in the engine build and it won't be cheap!

 

Check out http://www.av-engineered.com

Maybe you can pick up a few idea's...

 

My buddy runs 12.60 stock bore B18 in a civic hatch with 220whp/149wtq...1900lbs

THe lighter the car the less power you have to make to be fast. I wouldn't waste time with a prelude if your goal is 400hp and Prelude vs. Integra is the chassis.

Integra + B-series will be cheaper to go faster.

 

I figured it would cost a lot. I also know that the lower weight of a civic or integra will allow for less hp to make it go fast. What I'm mostly interested in is can this car have that much hp, and can it be reliable. Once I get the car, no matter what it is, the first thing I'm doing is beefing up internals. I will have the money. My interest isn't so much as autoX, but to have a really good handeling car. Cars have always been my life, and I'm looking to take something to the next level. I figure a Honda of any kind will be the easiest way. To know my experiance, I've done lightly tuned 304 jeep, a stripped and tuned rx7 nonturbo, a lightly tuned celica, and the crown jewl a Geo Storm that was done in all motor style. Thanks again for all your help guys.

 

With 400 hp, the Prelude can get you the numbers, but you have to decide if the cost is woth the benifit.

 

integra will be lighter and cheaper, and there are more parts out there for you to get that kind of power.

 

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I am willing to pay.

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I know theres more parts for the B18, but I wanted to know if it was possable to get the H22 there. And wondering if there were enough parts.
Can anyone out there point me in the direction of a Prelude with these kinds of numbers, and a daily driver?

 

Check out my website... I specialize in doing high whp H series applications.

 

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yeah..400 hp, but not with a h, k, or b series. no kind of FI or anything. no way u can make 400 hp. engines are way too small. even with 14 compression and crap. without some kind of snail, blower, or n20, you wont get close. maybe 300 bhp. car wont be streetable though.

anthony, is there any reasons why you suggest not going the h23vtec route?

 

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If you go turbo there is no need to do the h23vtec. It's just more money to spend and possible problems on down the line. Keep it simple.

 

i would suggest thinking it over just a little more. you are talkin about alot of money/time investing here. if you want to protect your investment. honda wouldnt be the best idea to put your 11k+ into. remember resale value. problems later on down the line. stuff like that. but if you wipe your *** w/ $100 dollar bills. go for it! turbo would get you to 12's pretty easy. though all motor would be my pick for auto-Xing. whatever your choice is, good luck!

...then again, it'll be tough keeping it streetable.