2006 Civic Si
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2006 Civic Si
Oh yeah, forgot to say something, but I drove the '06 Civic Si earlier this week--street and track. Cool car. The official media embargo gets lifted on the 31st, so I'll post something on our site then. I'd drive one.
The look is cool though. 
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Re: 2006 Civic Si (SPiFF)
That's the Euro market 5-door, which is apparently the only Civic that will get the torsion beam rear suspension. Our Si is a coupe.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coquinn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know if I'm feeling the gauge cluster Supra/S2000 combination yet.
Did the one you demo have navigation?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The cars on the "street" drive had navi. No word on a CRX.
Did the one you demo have navigation?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The cars on the "street" drive had navi. No word on a CRX.
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Re: (David S. Wallens)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by David S. Wallens »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No word on a CRX. </TD></TR></TABLE>
In late July, AutoWeek reported a CRX on the near horizon. Hope it's true.
This week we just built a set of nice double adjustable coil-overs for one of the SEMA show cars. Now I am interested in seeing the rest of the car.
In late July, AutoWeek reported a CRX on the near horizon. Hope it's true.
This week we just built a set of nice double adjustable coil-overs for one of the SEMA show cars. Now I am interested in seeing the rest of the car.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coquinn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know if I'm feeling the gauge cluster Supra/S2000 combination yet.
Did the one you demo have navigation?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Oh I do. I think the giant center mounted analog tach is great. Maybe call it a little boy racerish, but I guess so was the RX7 and most Porsche's sold, amongst others.
I hear without the Navi, it's still going to retail for the same price as the current EP3 Si even WITH the new 200hp/6MT/LSD drivetrain. If so, THAT'S impressive. I guess that's why the RSX got bumped to 210hp.
Can't wait to get one in here to flog around the kart track across the street.
Did the one you demo have navigation?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Oh I do. I think the giant center mounted analog tach is great. Maybe call it a little boy racerish, but I guess so was the RX7 and most Porsche's sold, amongst others.
I hear without the Navi, it's still going to retail for the same price as the current EP3 Si even WITH the new 200hp/6MT/LSD drivetrain. If so, THAT'S impressive. I guess that's why the RSX got bumped to 210hp.
Can't wait to get one in here to flog around the kart track across the street.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr Hammond »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I hear without the Navi, it's still going to retail for the same price as the current EP3 Si even WITH the new 200hp/6MT/LSD drivetrain. If so, THAT'S impressive. I guess that's why the RSX got bumped to 210hp.
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I don't know... considering the current Si never actually sold for anywhere near sticker it could be considered a price bump -- or an admission that the first car was overpriced to begin with.
Personally, I won't even consider it in coupe form.
I hear without the Navi, it's still going to retail for the same price as the current EP3 Si even WITH the new 200hp/6MT/LSD drivetrain. If so, THAT'S impressive. I guess that's why the RSX got bumped to 210hp.
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I don't know... considering the current Si never actually sold for anywhere near sticker it could be considered a price bump -- or an admission that the first car was overpriced to begin with.
Personally, I won't even consider it in coupe form.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr Hammond »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hear without the Navi, it's still going to retail for the same price as the current EP3 Si even WITH the new 200hp/6MT/LSD drivetrain. If so, THAT'S impressive. I guess that's why the RSX got bumped to 210hp.
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Is it confirmed that it will have the LSD? That would be huge.
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Is it confirmed that it will have the LSD? That would be huge.
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Re: 2006 Civic Si (David S. Wallens)
the side looks similar to a Chrysler Pacifica, the plastic between the front headlamps looks influenced by the likes of the early '90s Mercury Sable, Topaz, Villager, and the rear has some elements of the latest Mercury Cougar, Ford Focus, the Toyota Matrix / Pontiac Vibe and Aztek, which, itself, took some cues from the last Pontiac LeMans. it also looks like that mini Benz. in a word, Yuk. too many damned lines.
not that their market is similar, but one thing which i've always admired about Porsche's (911) design is that they seem to stick to a clean and simple aerodynamic shape, as unobtrusive to the eye as it is to the air, and they refine it in each generation.
this whole BS about looking at "the competition" and anticipating "the next trend/big thing" in market demand seems counterintuitive to Soichiro's ideal: that 'without racing, there is no Honda.' i understand that without $, there is no racing, but what we liked about the EFs/EGs/EHs/EJs/EKs/EMs, etc. was that they were cheap, reliable, well-engineered econoboxes which responded well to modification, which could include wild Venom bodykits with picnic-table wings and bumpers yielding absurd aero drag- but they needn't, and could be kept looking very docile, even banal, as they were in stock form. call me weird, but i like plain looking cars in bland earthtones. perhaps considering the way which i drive, less eyecandy is better.
it's great that now a civic can earn more than a 1-2 star crash-test rating (now that the civic is larger than the old accord), and the chassis is much stiffer. but, McPherson struts in the current Civic/RSX over the old tried-and-true (superior) double wishbone setup? that was cost cutting in the wrong place. hopefully, Honda changed back for the right reasons in the new cars. (i know that porsche uses McCrap suspension with success, which doesn't mean that double wishbone isn't better.) it's nice that the K blocks have a true, full 5 main girdle, though now the rods are crap.
making a crash-safe vehicle is so easy now, with FEA, that even Dodge can do it. it's a fixed cost. using better components/system designs isn't, but where it's not cost prohibitive, it should be done. but, marketing analysts don't ask Joe Blow on the street if he prefers one suspension design over another; chances are that neither he nor the market researchers know anything other that what meets their eyes. still, this doesn't mean that the total package should be compromised, lest over time the only thing left to distinguish a company or it's products over the competition is their heritage.
Toyota learned from the Honda tuner crowd what a good platform does for a car's resale value, reputation, brand loyalty, etc., hence the Scion. luckily for Honda, so far the Scion, like the Cobalt/Saturn, Neon, and Focus, hasn't proven itself over Honda's civic/integra. the point is that for Honda, the compact car has been kept a staple by tuners and racers like us, as much as it has by poor college students and thrifty communters who are sold more on fuel econ, safety, resale value than on performance. when everything else has been remade into an SUV (Porsche Cayenne, VW Toureg, Volvo whatever, Honda Ridgeline), it's important that Honda retains superior engineering as it's selling point, rather than trying trendy fads and facile fashions to sell compact cars quickly and disposably as does pontiac, ford, or chrysler, and before we see them for what those mfgs make them; junk.
not that their market is similar, but one thing which i've always admired about Porsche's (911) design is that they seem to stick to a clean and simple aerodynamic shape, as unobtrusive to the eye as it is to the air, and they refine it in each generation.
this whole BS about looking at "the competition" and anticipating "the next trend/big thing" in market demand seems counterintuitive to Soichiro's ideal: that 'without racing, there is no Honda.' i understand that without $, there is no racing, but what we liked about the EFs/EGs/EHs/EJs/EKs/EMs, etc. was that they were cheap, reliable, well-engineered econoboxes which responded well to modification, which could include wild Venom bodykits with picnic-table wings and bumpers yielding absurd aero drag- but they needn't, and could be kept looking very docile, even banal, as they were in stock form. call me weird, but i like plain looking cars in bland earthtones. perhaps considering the way which i drive, less eyecandy is better.
it's great that now a civic can earn more than a 1-2 star crash-test rating (now that the civic is larger than the old accord), and the chassis is much stiffer. but, McPherson struts in the current Civic/RSX over the old tried-and-true (superior) double wishbone setup? that was cost cutting in the wrong place. hopefully, Honda changed back for the right reasons in the new cars. (i know that porsche uses McCrap suspension with success, which doesn't mean that double wishbone isn't better.) it's nice that the K blocks have a true, full 5 main girdle, though now the rods are crap.
making a crash-safe vehicle is so easy now, with FEA, that even Dodge can do it. it's a fixed cost. using better components/system designs isn't, but where it's not cost prohibitive, it should be done. but, marketing analysts don't ask Joe Blow on the street if he prefers one suspension design over another; chances are that neither he nor the market researchers know anything other that what meets their eyes. still, this doesn't mean that the total package should be compromised, lest over time the only thing left to distinguish a company or it's products over the competition is their heritage.
Toyota learned from the Honda tuner crowd what a good platform does for a car's resale value, reputation, brand loyalty, etc., hence the Scion. luckily for Honda, so far the Scion, like the Cobalt/Saturn, Neon, and Focus, hasn't proven itself over Honda's civic/integra. the point is that for Honda, the compact car has been kept a staple by tuners and racers like us, as much as it has by poor college students and thrifty communters who are sold more on fuel econ, safety, resale value than on performance. when everything else has been remade into an SUV (Porsche Cayenne, VW Toureg, Volvo whatever, Honda Ridgeline), it's important that Honda retains superior engineering as it's selling point, rather than trying trendy fads and facile fashions to sell compact cars quickly and disposably as does pontiac, ford, or chrysler, and before we see them for what those mfgs make them; junk.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JeffS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know... considering the current Si never actually sold for anywhere near sticker it could be considered a price bump -- or an admission that the first car was overpriced to begin with.
Personally, I won't even consider it in coupe form.</TD></TR></TABLE>
edit: N/M. Lack of reading comprehension.
Modified by Mr Hammond at 3:04 PM 8/27/2005
Personally, I won't even consider it in coupe form.</TD></TR></TABLE>
edit: N/M. Lack of reading comprehension.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr Hammond »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hmmm...they sold around here for $20,000 all day long. I thought that was right about sticker.
Do you mean when they first came out?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think he was referring to the fact that most buyers paid much less than MSRP. For example, I paid $16,200 for an EP3 with 27 miles on the odometer
Do you mean when they first came out?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think he was referring to the fact that most buyers paid much less than MSRP. For example, I paid $16,200 for an EP3 with 27 miles on the odometer
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JeffS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Personally, I won't even consider it in coupe form.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The last Si really had no interest to us at all....& obviously lots of folks felt that way, they didn't sell well & I think in order to get rid of them there was a serious price drop from what Honda had hoped to get for them. The people we know who got one all got a "hell of a deal."
Personally, we are really excited about the fact that it is coming in a coupe form!
It interests us very much (new racecar almost done, ITR almost pd off...hmm may be the time to get a new Honda).....coupes are
even though it seems most folks are all about hbs.
We just picked up a copy of "Speed" Magazine (road & track) a couple days ago see pgs 33-34 (guess they weren't too interested in keeping it "under wraps" until the end of August
for ethics on their part.) They tracked it, showed pics, etc etc...they had the weight listed as "est. 2877"
(look forward to hearing the GRM version though it'll be better anyhow)
Modified by Lyonel 13H4 at 9:22 PM 8/27/2005
Personally, I won't even consider it in coupe form.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The last Si really had no interest to us at all....& obviously lots of folks felt that way, they didn't sell well & I think in order to get rid of them there was a serious price drop from what Honda had hoped to get for them. The people we know who got one all got a "hell of a deal."
Personally, we are really excited about the fact that it is coming in a coupe form!
It interests us very much (new racecar almost done, ITR almost pd off...hmm may be the time to get a new Honda).....coupes are
even though it seems most folks are all about hbs.We just picked up a copy of "Speed" Magazine (road & track) a couple days ago see pgs 33-34 (guess they weren't too interested in keeping it "under wraps" until the end of August
for ethics on their part.) They tracked it, showed pics, etc etc...they had the weight listed as "est. 2877"(look forward to hearing the GRM version though
it'll be better anyhow)Modified by Lyonel 13H4 at 9:22 PM 8/27/2005
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I think he was referring to the fact that most buyers paid much less than MSRP. For example, I paid $16,200 for an EP3 with 27 miles on the odometer</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok. After re-reading yes. I was thinking the opposite. I remember them stickering for $19,XXX, but selling for considerably less due to lack of interest.
I think he was referring to the fact that most buyers paid much less than MSRP. For example, I paid $16,200 for an EP3 with 27 miles on the odometer</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok. After re-reading yes. I was thinking the opposite. I remember them stickering for $19,XXX, but selling for considerably less due to lack of interest.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr Hammond »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Ok. After re-reading yes. I was thinking the opposite. I remember them stickering for $19,XXX, but selling for considerably less due to lack of interest.</TD></TR></TABLE>
around were i live, an auto mall was selling them for 14,999 with hardly any haggeling at all.
Ok. After re-reading yes. I was thinking the opposite. I remember them stickering for $19,XXX, but selling for considerably less due to lack of interest.</TD></TR></TABLE>
around were i live, an auto mall was selling them for 14,999 with hardly any haggeling at all.
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Re: 2006 Civic Si (slofu)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slofu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> but, McPherson struts in the current Civic/RSX over the old tried-and-true (superior) double wishbone setup? that was cost cutting in the wrong place. hopefully, Honda changed back for the right reasons in the new cars. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Nope, it's still a strut on the front and now a non-spring-on-shock rear. They did get rid of the steering arm on the strut though.
I am anxiously looking forward to the release of the new car but honestly don't know how it would fit into my family's car situation without simply being an add-on to the fleet.
Nope, it's still a strut on the front and now a non-spring-on-shock rear. They did get rid of the steering arm on the strut though.
I am anxiously looking forward to the release of the new car but honestly don't know how it would fit into my family's car situation without simply being an add-on to the fleet.
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Re: 2006 Civic Si (slofu)
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Is it confirmed that it will have the LSD? That would be huge.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, it will have the typical Honda gear type LSD
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slofu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
it's great that now a civic can earn more than a 1-2 star crash-test rating (now that the civic is larger than the old accord), and the chassis is much stiffer. but, McPherson struts in the current Civic/RSX over the old tried-and-true (superior) double wishbone setup? that was cost cutting in the wrong place. hopefully, Honda changed back for the right reasons in the new cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Honda is determined to get excellent results in the US crash tests and there is no way to get that with double wishbones in the smaller cars.
I don't know whether you've noticed, but the DC5 and EP3 have excellent crash test results and have also accumulated excellent safety records with the insurance companies. They wouldn't have been able to do that with the small double wishbone cars...they just can't put the metal in the right place.
Perhaps in the next generation.
For whatever it's worth, too, the kids do listen to the observations of enthusiasts, as evinced by the changes to the 2005 DC5 Type S McPherson suspension and its further evolution in the 2006 Civic Si. Although they had to continue to design McPherson cars to meet the crash test standards they set for themselves, the repositioning of the various components was the direct result of the observations of enthusiasts, not the least of which was Mr Ichishima himself.
Is it confirmed that it will have the LSD? That would be huge.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, it will have the typical Honda gear type LSD
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slofu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
it's great that now a civic can earn more than a 1-2 star crash-test rating (now that the civic is larger than the old accord), and the chassis is much stiffer. but, McPherson struts in the current Civic/RSX over the old tried-and-true (superior) double wishbone setup? that was cost cutting in the wrong place. hopefully, Honda changed back for the right reasons in the new cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Honda is determined to get excellent results in the US crash tests and there is no way to get that with double wishbones in the smaller cars.
I don't know whether you've noticed, but the DC5 and EP3 have excellent crash test results and have also accumulated excellent safety records with the insurance companies. They wouldn't have been able to do that with the small double wishbone cars...they just can't put the metal in the right place.
Perhaps in the next generation.
For whatever it's worth, too, the kids do listen to the observations of enthusiasts, as evinced by the changes to the 2005 DC5 Type S McPherson suspension and its further evolution in the 2006 Civic Si. Although they had to continue to design McPherson cars to meet the crash test standards they set for themselves, the repositioning of the various components was the direct result of the observations of enthusiasts, not the least of which was Mr Ichishima himself.
