how much horsepower could I really get out of a daily driven, streetable '99 ls(without spending $20,000 on an engine)? also. is a built Ls faster than a Gsr w i/h/e?

 

a built ls motor with a port and polished head and valve job and allt hat good stuff is supposed to be just as good as vtec if not a little better. racing isn't all about how much power you have. you have to be able to drive and control the power that the car makes. its possible that you could beat a gsr with bolt-on's if you have a fully built ls with bolt-ons. you'll need to tune your car first though and that involves money and a good bit of it.

 

Umm, did you just say $20,000?

The only way you're gonna get your LS to be 'fast' is to go with some sort of swap or FI (turbo/super/NAWZZZZ)

 

as much as you want.

 

boost the bitch...run it at 5-6 psi you will handle Gsr's for a few weeks, if all is well turn boost up to 6-9 psi and plan on upgrading the motor if you drive hard.

 

lol...you cant just say built.

How is the LS built? They both have potential to be fast.

 

A built motor won't necessarily make any more power than a non built motor. You don't toss in new sleeves, pistons, and rods and suddenly make more horsepower. A built motor will just protect it when you do make the changes to make more power like forced induction.

 

cams/cam gears/ header/intake/exhaust/and a tune

you should be able to pull on a stock gsr.

could be wrong?

 

you cannot make a heaver integra with a ls motor go fast with out going with some kind of forced induction. i have a 200whp lsvtec in an integra and let me tell you it is not fast at all. i kick myself for not going boost everyday

if you fully build your ls for all motor to run pump gas. dont expect more that 180whp and its going to cost a hell of a lot and its still going to be slow as *****

 

damn...there goes the B16 head I was thinking of getting... lol on to the turbo kit!

 

i just want somewhat of a sleeper, don't what to go forced induction, just want to beat up on some mustangs, camaros, gsr's and such. i know about the basic bolt ons, suspension, weight reductions. just want to know what else i need to get the full potential(sp). i really want to stay n/a. i was even thinking of doing a b16 tranny swap, 5th gear on highway sucks, i know.

 

putting a b16 tranny is not bad for LS motor but yeah its true the ur 5th gear will be high as 4500+ rpms. but u can always put an ls 5th gear on it so u could have low rpms on 5th gear and it wont be annoying..

 

ls/vtec and then upgrade internal

 

http://www.nonvtec.com

 

look up user hybrid_vtec

 

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mustangs? on an all motor ls.. i duno man sounds kinda pricey if you ask me maybe juss the non 5.0 mustangs?... i duno...

 

you are not going to beat on mustangs and cameros with a all motor integra running 91 octane. i have 198whp and 151 tq and i cant touch mustangs or cameros. maybe only the base models but definetely not any of the v8's not even close
if you want to keep up with v8's then you must go turbo

 

base model mustangs are about as slow as our little hondas. I held onto a base model mustang in an LS with i/e, still got beat but i held him for a ways . keep in mind that alot of people out there dont like the hassle of driving a stick. i dunno what traffic is like around you but if your expecting to have a good time and race a few kids off the lights it could very well be like shooting fish in a barrel just having a stick.

of course thats no excuse for having a slow car

 

I keep up with a 5.0 in my ls and all i had was high comp pistons, i/e, and the mustang was stick. Eventually it pulled on me going into four gear tho

 

LS Motor b16 head and b16 tranny owns!!!!! but if you want your car to be more driveable on the freeway go with a GSR tranny you'll still be good! a friend of mine has that ls/vtec and b16 tranny combo.....lost his silencer for his exhast...everytime he gets home from work he complains about how big of a headache he has from the exhaust ahahahaha

 

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he has a very nice ls setup

 

i burned a 99 mustang gt and he had the jump on me so i dont see how people are have trouble with them there slow as hell and that was with my stock ls.

 

forget the ls1 camaro with an LS non turbo ( even turbo)... Sorry
they run high 12 and low 13. I looked like a scooter when i tryed to race one ( auto, driven by a very fat guy + his wife ).

The v6 is a different story.

 

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Easily. I have the above setup and the car drives great, has good torque peaking at 4300rpm (great for auto-x) and GS-Rs with i/h/e are a good fight. A stock GS-R is very easy to beat. I also have some weight reduction too but even at stock weight it shouldn't be a problem.

If you want GS-R to Type R power, LS all-motor is a fine proposition and the extra torque is a lot of fun to play with, you don't get that very easily with those other motors. If you're looking for more, VTEC or turbo is the way to go.

BTW about this Mustang/Camaro business... uhhhmm there is a BIG difference between them. The LS1 GM's and newer Mustangs are fast... the old STOCK 5.0s (totally diff. with mods) and '80's/early'90s Camaros were not very fast at all stock (yes the V8s). Actually the Mustang GT only had 215hp until like '98-99 or so, those are not that hard to beat either.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by riceball777 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you cannot make a heaver integra with a ls motor go fast with out going with some kind of forced induction. i have a 200whp lsvtec in an integra and let me tell you it is not fast at all. i kick myself for not going boost everyday

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180whp LS WILL be pretty fast! in a teg with that HP it would run at least mid 14's easily!

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you are not going to beat on mustangs and cameros with a all motor integra running 91 octane. i have 198whp and 151 tq and i cant touch mustangs or cameros. maybe only the base models but definetely not any of the v8's not even close
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if u have 198whp and still run n 15's in the 1/4 mile, then i think u need to hit the track up more often and practice racing. no offense but with 198whp in a teg u should be hitting low 14's... even breaking into the 13's!