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I have a 95 Si hatch that I want to do a swap to, while keeping it a daily driver. Many different swaps can be had for the cost some where between $2,000 and $6,000. My question is this.....(with money not playing a huge part), (and keeping things simple N/A, I/H/E, cams). Which swap has the best power, least amount of fabricating to make fit, and is light enough to not throw the car even more off balance(nose heavy).
So we have.....power, easy install, weight.....with price coming in last. I want to say that my top picks would be F20B(accord SiR), B18C5(teggy TypeR), and K20A2(RSX Type S).
They all have around 200HP, some are more nose heavy, and harder to install, and maybe I am missing a good swap.
Give me your thoughts.......remember, simple N/A and daily driver.
thanks
****If anyone knows the weights of the different swaps please post!!!!! That would be great. I am thinking that the B16B could even be thrown in the mix*****

 

b18c5 gets my vote. built to be na, built to be beat on, and the mount kits put that motor closer to the firewall than any of the others. F20 and K20 would also be harder swaps.

 

H22

 

H22 is good for the price......maybe the best HP and TQ per $ , but I think is the heaviest of all.
The B18C5 is not as heavy(and I was unaware that it sits farther back than most swaps). As far as I know you can keep the PS and AC with the B18C5. Down side is the $$$.
I did not want to admit it, but maybe the B18C5 is the best.

 

You can't go wrong with an H22. But if you're looking for the least amount of fabrication, go with the Type R. It's only 5 HP less than the H22, but more of a direct bolt in. The torque isn't there with a B series, but they rip top end.

 

H22 and use a good mount kit . you will be happy

 

Please let me know why you guys say H22. I never really considered it. I was going to go with the F20B over the H22. I would like to hear your side.
thanks

Does anyone have the weight difference of the swaps.

 

i know i am happy and i have only had it for about 1 day. All i can say is damn....i cant wait to get my prospeed header tommorow!

 

... Our crew now has two H22 Civic's.

99exd16y8's car is quite the Speed Demon now. I would recommend the H-Series swap any day.

 

Here are some pictures...







And a little video of 99exd16y8's engine after the swap...

 

Holy Crap Guy......those swaps look clean.... .
OK so you have the upper hand in TQ and tied with HP, and you are winning big time with the price of the swap, but how does your car handle with that H22 up front? It looks like it sits back pretty far. Did you run into any problems with the swap?

I can not believe how clean that looks

 

you will have to build your suspension for the extra weight, but once you've done that, it can handle just as well. The swap is a little harder than a B, but far easier than a K. It'll probably cost about the same as a b18c5 too. the engine in cheaper, but you have to spend more on parts for the swap. Check my bio for my setup and 1/4 times if you want.

 

Before i had the H in my car i had bought a 2000 gsr motor from import auto salvage for 3600 bucks. The swap was fairly easy but the car never seemed like it ran to the full extent(15.6 quater mile ) Well long story short 2 cylinders we not really working you could say and i sent it back for a refund. After the refund myself and "tsaf22b1" went to raliegh to pick up andh22 from Japan Direct for like 2500 bucks, and buying hasport mounts 475 axlex 350 and shifter assembly 30 bucks. After it was all said and done i saved a couple hundred bucks and with that i bought a sweet prospeed header. So as far as the H costing the same as a type r i dont think so. And the only thing that seems to be a problem now is traction, but when it hooks up.... it hooks up and goes

 

I have an H22A4/5spd swap with motor, trans, shifter, shift cables, ecu for sale. I have already done this swap in my del sol si, and I can say the power and torque is awesome. I used HCP mounts and the install was not that hard.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=773309
As for the weight issue:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550

 

Thanks for that link on weight. I wish the guy would have come back and posted the weight of the complete swaps. I had H22A as the one of the last possible choices, and now it is moving up to the front. I even read that you can keep your AC with the H.
OK, now to make you H guys mad. Why not the F20B? It would be almost the same swap.

 

Hell yeah the swaps are clean... Props to our crew leader, Scott (tsaf22b1). That's him in the background in the second photo. He's not always that blurry

Anyway, Scott pushed 99exd16y8's car to a 14.96 Quarter Mile at the tracks tonight... With the IAB's not currently functional, open header, 17" wheels with street tires. Once everything is squared away, and we they get the slicks on... Expect some decent times

Like I said, after driving the White Hatchback... I want an H in my Shitvic. It felt amazing.

Go with the H22, man

 

and i had a full tank of gas, oh well i am happy because i know it cant get any slow, Jordan that scared the hell out of me when i blew that hose off, i didnt know what to think.

 

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It's a damn good motor and it is fast, but the H22 has more tq and is a little cheaper. It really comes down to you.

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True, Tom's C5 got me on the top end

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word, don't get ebay ****


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IHateJDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you will have to build your suspension for the extra weight, but once you've done that, it can handle just as well. The swap is a little harder than a B, but far easier than a K. It'll probably cost about the same as a b18c5 too. the engine in cheaper, but you have to spend more on parts for the swap. Check my bio for my setup and 1/4 times if you want.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not really, PatMcGroin ran fine with stock ITR springs and shocks.


I did a 13.84@100mph with 2.1 60' on street tires. H22 fo lyfe! That was with a stock header too.

 

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True, Tom's C5 got me on the top end
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I ran a C5 civic before to 130 mph. I had him by a car to 100, then we were dead even the rest of the way. Less than 100 lbs difference in car weights too.

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I did a 13.84@100mph with 2.1 60' on street tires. H22 fo lyfe! That was with a stock header too. </TD></TR></TABLE>

and you're a little quicker than me too, i'm 13.89 @ 99.8 (with 2.1 60').

 

h or b series + a civic of some type + some sweat and blood=

 

Miles, I can only imagine, haha

I was lined up right behind you, ready to do my burn out... All of the sudden I hear some Redneck up in the stands yelling "CIVIC DOWN! THAT CIVIC JUST BLEW UP! YEEAAH HOOO!"

I couldn't help but laugh my *** off at that.

Did the coolant stain your hood?

 

Lightest..most power...fitment is perfect b16b civic type r higher compression then the itr and more aggressive cams go civic type R you wont be disappointed easily running 13s all day


Modified by FlsFinest at 5:09 PM 8/26/2005

 

B18b Turbo! You can get the b18b for cheap if ya look around and then just peice together a turbo set up and if tuned right, you can have a fast reliable daily

 

most people so far are saying to go with the big boys H22 and B18C5. I know that the H22 can be had for about half the price of the B18C5. So, how much if you do not mind me asking, did the rest of the swap cost.......everything needed for the swap, other than the swap itself, and this is for the H.

 

just thought that I would throe this in here for yall to look at since you guys have almost convinced me to go with the big gun .
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=475777
I still think I might go F20B just to do it, it is the brother of the H22...and I have always loved this engine. Check out that thread......it shows some awesome gains with a P&P.