Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Jay

 

i havent heard anything negative about them.

 

they're pretty good. heavier than stock but get the job done.

 

Only get the REAR bar... Front bar is useless, and only give you more understeer... Yes, with a front AND rear swaybar, your car may "sway" less, but overall corning ability won't be anybetter.. Like I said in a previous thread here, a REAR swaybar will help get rid of the understeer that every FWD car has.. So, REAR bar only, and save money.. I have a ST rear bar, no complaints

 

i have a front and rear sus tech sway bar. i like them. i can handle like a bitch now. but unless you are absolutely unhappy with factory bars then dont get them. they arent just heavier, they are WAY heavier. if you are into mostly drag racing or street racing i would reconsider. they add probably about 15 pounds or so. but if you want better handling then they are the ticket.

 

HES RIGHT there good , but not for drag racing. ehh

 

im bout to pick up a set, heres a quote from someone i know about the s/t bars.

"I love em..ive only tried them both on...the only problem is you need aftermaket seats to keep your head off of the windows when you turn..I highly recommend.."

hehe.

im gonna buy the set, just install the rear and probably throw the front one on ebay.

peace

 

I have both of them as well. The car will still understeer if you push it too hard into a turn, but it's still very easy to get the rear to step out mid turn if you take your foot off the gas slightly and transfer that weight up front. But, if I had to do it over again I'd just get the rear. I really doubt that you'll have any of the problems they associate with it (getting crazy oversteer).

 

Save yourself money, rear is only one you need...

 

an oversteering FWD car can be very dangerous

 

Just about any oversteering car can be Dangerous, if you don't know how to handle it... The only way a FWD car will oversteer, is if YOU (the driver) makes it do it..

 

this is true.

I'm just saying that because if driver X is going around a corner, and the car starts to oversteer, his first instict will be to get off the gas - which will not help his cause much.

 

O/T but if you need ST bars, I have a set of used by I can sell you for cheap. I bought them from a friend - but wont work on my car since I have 4WS. Email me at jordan_mendler@yahoo.com if you are interested.

-Jordan

 

well, that's true to a certain extent... but i've gone around corners, and been suprised by a bump in the road that will pull your rear end out quicker than you can blink...

 

i personally have bought the set..and only used the rear one for last season..

but now i am gonnna put in both and make the rear one adjustable and stiffen it up a bit.. u can get only the rear or both if u want
it depends on wherever u wich to retain the stock front/rear balance or want to make ur car more oversteer and swich some weight trans to the back

though prelude has a lot of roll so i would defenetivly think that both are better than only rear ..but that's still a driver's preference setting i think

the other option is to wait..as adjustable rear sway bar that doesn't cost 300$( like the neuspeed on ) will soon be released.. so u can get front and rear + adjustability and stiffened rear brakets

if ur car is lowered a little i would suggest you to make or get adjustable end links for the rear at least..as u will get a lot of prelaod with the ST rear bar ( alittle more than with stock bar as the angle is not the same ) and that could not be suited to your needs..

but quality of ST bars is top notch for me

 

Ok, one comming misscomsemption about swaybars is that they are supposed to control the "roll" of the car... In reality, that is the Job of the springs, NOT the swaybars.. You should not be buying swaybars to control the roll of the car.. You use them to "support" your springs.. By adding just a rear bar, it helps the cornering/transitional stiffness, meaning the outside rear tire will feel more weight on it, then the outside front tire, thus making the car rotate, not really oversteer, but just turn better...

My prelude with ST rear swaybar, and full stiff rear shocks still understeers, there is really not much to worry about with snap oversteer..

 

Anti roll bars help limiting roll... true that the spring are the main controllers..
anti roll bars change the weight distribution front/rear and that is why it also changes the steer caracteristics of the car, by using a stiffer rear sway bar..u make more weight transfer to the back and help retard the loss of the grip of the front tires cause of exceeded limit of adhesion

using both front and rear sway bar is of great help on a car wich goes on street and cannot use 1000lbs/inch stiff springs ..
but neway it should all be designed in conjunction with wheel rates and sway bars for helping limit the roll...

hey i experienced some bad oversteer in solo2 courses few time last season
( was mostly due to an error in driver inputs ahha but still )
one thing that is great about the balance of the lude with only teh rear ST bar is that u can really make the car rotate faster by lift throttle cause weight to the back and the front tires rotate much faster..well that's what i sensed few times..
i don't have enough seat time with my car as it was to be able to tell with detail the behavior but i know that i could control steer a lot easier and faster with the rear sway on ..

also helped alot in tiite slow hairpins

 

What about the Neuspeed rear bar? Any different? lighter? more rigid?

 

i never seen in real life the neuspeed
but i know that neuspeed stuff are high quality usually
and it comes with steffened brackets and it is adjustable i think..

but it's twice as expensive as the ST

for street..get the ST

for race where u need adjustability..neuspeed is something to consider if u don't wanna work on the ST and make it adjustable..

 

when is this adjustable rear sway bar coming out? is it going to be by s/t? how much will it cost?

 

wich one are you talkinga bout ?

the neuspeed one is already out..
they had a 28mm if i recall correctly..
but they shifted back to 24-25mm cause it was tearing everything apart
( maybe that's just a story too )

 

On my particular setup: 5Zigen springs (1.75" drop in front, 1.5" drop in back), stock shocks, DC Sports upper front, DC Sport Upper rear, and DC Sport tie bar, on 17" Volk TE37s with 205/40/17 paradas.. I lose control of the car QUITE easily.. almost ditched the car once... I'm having SERIOUS oversteer problem.. Is it cause i'm not gassin' the car into the turn? I usually let off the gas during a tight turn and the back end damn turn makes me 360 on the street into oncoming traffic and I don't want to do that.

What do you guys suggest I do?? I'm thinking Koni Yellows and the Suspension Technique bars.. I like to drag, but I think handling is more impressive to me, so would I handle better with both from and rear, or just rear? Thanks!

Jay

 

There are sevaral thinks that will make the *** end want to come around..

Stiff rear spring rates..
To much rear tire pressure..
Rear Shocks set to stiff..
Stiffer rear swaybar...
Braking or letting off the gas while in a corner..

Ok guys, if your car gets sideways, or you don't want it to get sideways, GIVE IT THROTTLE!!! It will put the weight on the rear tires, and the front tires will "pull" the car back straight.. Believe me, all us racers do it.. I have gotten the *** end out around 45 degrees and saved it several times on the track, just because I never lift the throttle..

Letting of the throttle, or braking while corning will cause a car to spin easily, first thing you learn in driving schools is to brake in a straight line, and on the throttle through the corners, so your *** doesn't go spinning..

 

100% true

except that to be fast in corner u have to be braking alittle while entering(turning) to be able to get the MAX out of the tires ..
same goes when giving gaz while exiting ....
though it is humanlly almost impossible to sense the edge of tire grip and give good dose of brake/gaz VS good turning angle/force

do you know the spring rates of the 5Zigen springs ?
could be cause they are too stiff for the stock shocks ( well they sure are ..but)
and they make the car bouncy a little so u loose contact with the grond when turning + front/rear weight shift ..

try to do as Honda318dx said and maintain gaz while turning..just enough to keep the balance F/R

each time u upset the R/F balance of the car u will loose effectivity

 

You should buy my bars on ebay. Right now there only at $71 for the set, and there is no reserve...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cg...839957&r=0&t=0

Sorry about the O/T, but it does kinda relate to the thread.

-Jordan