Im about to pick up this Civic for 400 buxs and i wanna get started on the project.
Im tryin to decide what the best swap would be thats gonna give me good performance and reliability. Would i be better off finding a full GSR motor or buildin somethin from a LS block.

 

Full GSR in my opnion, much easier to work with

 

yea thats what im thinkin how hard is it too wire those motors.

 

the wiring will be almost the same, just got to know what you are doing

 

Yea i mean i know a decent amount but im not tryin to **** my **** up.
Im working wit around 4 grand so i dont know if it would be worth spending all the money on swappin a GSR.

 

Yea it is worth spending, you will love the power difference. Me personally I have a B16a

 

92/93 Integra XSi B16 w/ YS1
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gsr

 

I'd say do the gsr. More reliable. the wiring is pretty simple. the only things you would have to wire in is vtec and depending on what make your car is you might have to do a dpfi to mpfi conversion. it might cost you a little more than 4 grand though. you need to get mounts, axles, and shift linkage, the motor, I recommend a new clutch and pressure plate, a b series cable transmission or a b series hydrolic transmission if you get the conversion kit from hasport, plus it wouldn't be a bad idea to replace some of the seals while you have the motor out, you need an obd0 distributor unless you plan on going obd1 (requires more wiring), an obd0 vtec ecu or an obd1 ecu if you do the conversion. also unless you are mechanically inclined you would have to pay for the labor to do all this stuff. It's also a good idea to have a little extra money set aside for any unexpected issues that might arrise. good luck with whatever you decide.

 

I would of did the GSR if I had the money

 

out of both if you can get a good builder i'd take lsvtec its what i had and loved it a bunch.

 

yea im still leaning more to an ls/vtec build cause i can get more for the money.
I dont want to spend all 4 grand on the motor.

 

ive got some hasport mounts for sale click the link in my sig. I would go with a gsr though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EFprojectKid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea im still leaning more to an ls/vtec build cause i can get more for the money.
I dont want to spend all 4 grand on the motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I did and it was worth it trust me

 

The good thing about an LSVTEC is it will have slightly more displacement then the GSR because of the crank/stroke. IIRC it's only a 40cc increase, but every little bit helps. You can also decide on what head you want to go with. Since you'll probably end up assembling the motor, you could also go with some slightly higher compression pistons.

 

i will slap you if u get the gsr over a lsvtec

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bjorn20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i will slap you if u get the gsr over a lsvtec</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol...yea go ls vtec....iam personally going b20vtec but thats me

 

LS/VTEC

It can be done for cheaper than GSR, make more torque and hp, and be just as reliable if done right.

 

LS/VTEC. Here's why:
1) Obviously the power difference. More Power and TORQUE than GSR.
2) Cheaper. Even with the adition of a VTEC oil pump and ARP rod bolts (Both necessary if you want it to be super reliable).
3) More displacement means better gains from mods! .04 Liters extra might not seem like much, but once you've tried both you'll know the difference. If you want to go NA, while you've got the motor apart throw in some cheap PR3 (b16) Pistons, bumps your CR to 11.2:1 and you'll eay Type-R's all day.
4) Cheaper bottom end, incase you blow it up. I've purchased two LS short blocks in my life one was $200, one was $50. They are everywhere.
5) Unlike buying a motor from an engine website, most the people you will find with LS blocks know how many miles are on them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jedubz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LS/VTEC. Here's why:
1) Obviously the power difference. More Power and TORQUE than GSR.
2) Cheaper. Even with the adition of a VTEC oil pump and ARP rod bolts (Both necessary if you want it to be super reliable).
3) More displacement means better gains from mods! .04 Liters extra might not seem like much, but once you've tried both you'll know the difference. If you want to go NA, while you've got the motor apart throw in some cheap PR3 (b16) Pistons, bumps your CR to 11.2:1 and you'll eay Type-R's all day.
4) Cheaper bottom end, incase you blow it up. I've purchased two LS short blocks in my life one was $200, one was $50. They are everywhere.
5) Unlike buying a motor from an engine website, most the people you will find with LS blocks know how many miles are on them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

listen to that fool, he knows the game

 

I'm going with a lsvtec with my ef and i have drove a lsvtec crx and a ef gsr and the is not much difference expect when those two car's raced the crx spanked the hatch by 1/2 car length so there close but lsvtec is more of custom job then a gsr so what you but i say LSVTEC

 

LS/VTEC won't last as long as a GSR, but whatever

 

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oh really enlighten us more mr hondaguru.

take your blanket statement and wrap it around your neck

lsvtec is all in the builder I know of a few with over 70K on them and GSRs blown at 50k or less.

 

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Im tryin to decide what the best swap would be thats gonna give me good performance and reliability . Would i be better off finding a full GSR motor or buildin somethin from a LS block.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i might be biased since i have the gsr in my rex. all i can say is reliability and gas milege is amazing! fill up my crx for $23 full tank of 91 and cap it off for 7-8 days if i dont get east of 5k rpms with anything more than 1/4 throttle. JUST got home from scottsdale, cruised the 101 and i was @ about 6200rpms with piece of mind. you cant have that with an ls crank. since you working w/ $4k you most likely wont touch the crank. IF you go with the gsr you get that 8500rpm redline and with the right cam/hdr/im combo you can get everything breathing that high. also if you decide to boost you have a block that is capable of supporting 400whp with its stock sleeves.

even if you have both built right and tuned perfect a stock b18c1 will hand a stock ls/vtec its *** over and over again. and it wont have any external oil lines and fittings, milled block/head surfaces, dowl pins, ect.

performance: gsr block &gt; ls block
reliability: gsr &gt; ls

 

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even if you have both built right and tuned perfect a stock b18c1 will hand a stock ls/vtec </TD></TR></TABLE>

Explain what a stock lsvtec is i DARE you to explain whats stock in cobbling a motor together