Hey everybody just wanted to ask for your opinion on these cams,I am in the market for some good camshafts that make the most power for the buck! I found this dyno chart, tell me what you guys think..... It seems that the Buddy Club cams spec 3+ are not even what they are cracked up to be and it looks like they got spanked on the dyno chart.... I am having a hard time picking out which cam to buy because both company products are made in Taiwain I am leaning towards skunk2 camshafts because a few H-t members have breaken Buddy Club cams during install


here is the link http://www.skunk2.com/raceShop....html

 

Ill be doing this test in about a week and half if you can wait.

 

 

I too have heard of Buddy Club cams breaking during installation

 

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obviously u have no idea what the point of bc3+ cams is. they are not top end cams, they are ment to give u better low end & midrange then most cams.

S2 pro1's are also ment to give good low end & midrange, however they are also pretty healthy up top as well.

Looks like bc & s2 are even most the way up. only at top end does the pro1's dominate. both cams obviously are performing well at what they were intended to do.

 

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"Heard of" has it ever happened to you? Or to someone you can 100% vouch for that they installed and torqued them onto the cam gears and cam caps properly?

 

wow...to me buddy clubs did good, since the price for pro 1s cost a decent ammount over the buddy clubs

 

Remember guys, thats only one dyno, one instance... That particular motor had those gains, it wont necessarily be true for other applications. If you have headwork, or a decent header (rmf, an-r, smsp) i would reccomend the pro series....

 

look at the power that motor is making..must be pretty built up

 

Could be flywheel horsepower. Keep in mind this IS a dyno from skunk2's own site....

 

probably is flywheel, since they are known to use engine dyno's

still a really healthy engine, so dont expect such large differences between them on smaller builds

the mid range isint something to joke about, my pro1's feel faster down low, than they do up top at the moment

probably my cheap header choking the motor off... but i made 173whp


edit:anyone notice the rpm on that dyno, ***** messed up!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by egsauce &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey everybody just wanted to ask for your opinion on these cams,I am in the market for some good camshafts that make the most power for the buck! I found this dyno chart, tell me what you guys think..... It seems that the Buddy Club cams spec 3+ are not even what they are cracked up to be and it looks like they got spanked on the dyno chart.... I am having a hard time picking out which cam to buy because both company products are made in Taiwain I am leaning towards skunk2 camshafts because a few H-t members have breaken Buddy Club cams during install

here is the link http://www.skunk2.com/raceShop....html</TD></TR></TABLE>

Its nice that you have 'heard of" the cams breaking, but have you ever personally seen it? I haven't. I run a set of BC cams and they seem to have excellent build quality. I would highly recommend these cams to anyone... of course, I am not using the spec 3+'s though. That dyno is rather funny. Its even more amusing that people assume the BC's got "spanked" when they only lost in peak power. Peak power doesn't make a car any quicker, it makes for "impressive" dyno charts. Power under the curve makes more difference and those two cams were basically even. The spec 3+'s are what I would consider to be a mild camshaft at that. Aren't the Pro1's revised stage 2 profiles?

 

I think the VTEC lobe is the same as the stage 2's but the primary lobes are quite a bit bigger.

 

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Well, with that in mind... Would it be more of a "fair" comparison to compare those pro1's to some Spec 4's then?

 

Probably, i just think skunk2 is targeting the bc3+ because those are the ones selling to the masses right now, ya know?

 

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That could very well be the case. I just wish people would take into consideration all the small details that none of these dynos seem to point out. This one dyno would be like me comparing CTR cams to a Jun stage 3 and saying "See, the Jun's rock, right?"..

 

well i know some one who had them installed at Pann Auto in San Diego and they broke during installation aslo some one here on h-t i dont know his name but he has a red dc2 with black and red advans sa3r

 

i got some bc3+ on my car and i like it alot there are just fine for my aplications plus i dont rev it up so high

 

Installation

Cam installation can be "traumatic" for camshafts.

How many people back off the adjustment screw all the way prior to bolting down the cam caps. Thrust caps also need to be checked for proper engagement.

HP

If can run more speed in each gear (high rpm hp), you'll be faster.

 

Pro1 VTEC lobes are not the same as the old Skunk Stg2. Less duration.

 

Don, they have less duration, but slightly higher lift, correct?

 

They have a little more peak lift but the profile is a different species than the S2S2 vtec. The Pro 1 has more movement in the lobe center over the lift range.

 

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Cam installation can be "traumatic" for camshafts.

How many people back off the adjustment screw all the way prior to bolting down the cam caps. Thrust caps also need to be checked for proper engagement.
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can u explain more on that. a little confused

 

Subscribing, post more info in here such as the TEST spoken of earlier, I will most likely pick a cam and valvesprings/retainers sometime in the next few months.

 

What's up with the "RPM scale" on that chart. Are you telling me those motors are making that power at only ~4800rpm or is that cam rpm (thus crank rpm is twice that)?