Question for those that rebuilt their bottom end with eagle rods..
What honda rod bearing colors did you use? I know that the eagle rods are equivalent to #3s for GSR rods but in the manual for the itr the numbers on the rods are different. Instead of them being 1-4, they are like 21-26. Basically where do I start? The codes on the itr crank is different, but what do I match the eagle rod code with? It is #3 for the gsr and what is it for the itr? (#23???). In the manual you can actually mix and match colors between the rod bearing and main cap bearing (green/pink). Hope my question makes sense... I have never rebuilt a bottom end, so I apologize for my slowness..... BTW, I am using eagle GSR rods, which I was told were the same.
Thanks in advance...
This was posted in the FI forum also
Thanks in advance...
This was posted in the FI forum also
yes, you can mix and match bearing halfshells to get the correct clearances. as far as a starting place, someone else on here will need to jump in.
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Bearing #s are the same for all B-series vtecs. Just use the #s from a GS-R or B16 if you have access to them. Also, mixing colors (2 different bearing sizes) on the same journal is never a good idea...it will not allow that portion of the crank to spin concentrically and possibly lead to premature bearing failure. If you have any doubts that the bearing fir may not be accurate, you may want to measure the clearances with plastigauge or a nice mic if you have one. Hope this helps!
Just FYI, the type R and GSR rods are narrower on the big end, than all other bseries. Swapping colors to achieve correct clr is ok within reason. I woundn't mix a red and blue on the same journal. But if your close, you can swap the bearings in the caps to achieve slightly tigher or looser clr.(ex. i used grn/brn combos for my eagles in a b20.) The difference is neglegible, each color step is .0002"(thanks michael) . Definately plastiguage all clr with custom pieces.
[Modified by Sleeper, 4:02 PM 2/22/2002]
[Modified by Sleeper, 4:03 PM 2/22/2002]
[Modified by Sleeper, 4:02 PM 2/22/2002]
[Modified by Sleeper, 4:03 PM 2/22/2002]
Originally posted by Larry Widmer on Endyn's BBS
Main upper bearings (B16A, B18C, B18B, B20)
13321-PR3-004 BLUE
13322-PR3-004 BLACK
13323-PR3-004 BROWN
13324-PR3-004 GREEN
13325-PR3-004 YELLOW
13326-PR3-004 PINK
13327-PR3-004 RED
Main lower bearings (B16A, B18C, B18B, B20)
13341-PR3-004 BLUE
13342-PR3-004 BLACK
13343-PR3-004 BROWN
13344-PR3-004 GREEN
13345-PR3-004 YELLOW
13346-PR3-004 PINK
13347-PR3-004 RED
B18A/B18B/B20 Rod bearings
13211-PR4-A02 BLUE
13212-PR4-A02 BLACK
13213-PR4-A02 BROWN
13214-PR4-A02 GREEN
13215-PR4-A02 YELLOW
13216-PR4-A02 PINK
13217-PR4-A02 RED
GSR/ITR Rod bearings
13211-P72-003 BLUE
13212-P72-003 BLACK
13213-P72-003 BROWN
13214-P72-003 GREEN
13215-P72-003 YELLOW
13216-P72-003 PINK
13217-P72-003 RED
B16A/B17A Rod bearings
13211-P30-003 BLUE
13212-P30-003 BLACK
13213-P30-003 BROWN
13214-P30-003 GREEN
13215-P30-003 YELLOW
13216-P30-003 PINK
13217-P30-003 RED
B18B Main Bearing Set
2.013-2.010 mm 0.0793"-0.0791"
2.010-2.007 mm 0.0791"-0.0790"
2.007-2.004 mm 0.0790"-0.0789"
2.004-2.001 mm 0.0789"-0.0788"
2.001-1.998 mm 0.0788"-0.0787"
1.998-1.995 mm 0.0787"-0.0785"
1.995-1.922 mm 0.0785"-0.0757"
Conrod Bearing Set
1.510-1.507 mm 0.0594"-0.0593"
1.507-1.504 mm 0.0593"-0.0592"
1.504-1.501 mm 0.0592"-0.0591"
1.501-1.498 mm 0.0591"-0.0590"
1.498-1.495 mm 0.0590"-0.0589"
1.495-1.492 mm 0.0589"-0.0587"
1.492-1.489 mm 0.0587"-0.0586"
The thinnest bearing is red, followed by pink, yellow, green, brown,
black, and blue. If you looked at the chart I provided in my last reply,
you'll see that the bearings are graduated in .0002" increments.
So if you replace a green half with a brown, you're decreasing the
clearance by .0002", if you go with two browns, the difference would be
.0004".
Now, if you're trying to beat the plastigauge ritual, forget it. You do
it until the clearances are what they need to be, or you can worry
yourself sick over the life expectancy of your engine once it's in the car.
Try going to brown bearings in the caps for the journals that are
currently green (leave the green bearings in the block.) Take a green
bearing and place it in the cap instead of the yellow. Measure the
clearance.
We like to see .0015" -.0017".
Splitting the colors is an accepted way of achieving the numbers you're
looking for.
Main upper bearings (B16A, B18C, B18B, B20)
13321-PR3-004 BLUE
13322-PR3-004 BLACK
13323-PR3-004 BROWN
13324-PR3-004 GREEN
13325-PR3-004 YELLOW
13326-PR3-004 PINK
13327-PR3-004 RED
Main lower bearings (B16A, B18C, B18B, B20)
13341-PR3-004 BLUE
13342-PR3-004 BLACK
13343-PR3-004 BROWN
13344-PR3-004 GREEN
13345-PR3-004 YELLOW
13346-PR3-004 PINK
13347-PR3-004 RED
B18A/B18B/B20 Rod bearings
13211-PR4-A02 BLUE
13212-PR4-A02 BLACK
13213-PR4-A02 BROWN
13214-PR4-A02 GREEN
13215-PR4-A02 YELLOW
13216-PR4-A02 PINK
13217-PR4-A02 RED
GSR/ITR Rod bearings
13211-P72-003 BLUE
13212-P72-003 BLACK
13213-P72-003 BROWN
13214-P72-003 GREEN
13215-P72-003 YELLOW
13216-P72-003 PINK
13217-P72-003 RED
B16A/B17A Rod bearings
13211-P30-003 BLUE
13212-P30-003 BLACK
13213-P30-003 BROWN
13214-P30-003 GREEN
13215-P30-003 YELLOW
13216-P30-003 PINK
13217-P30-003 RED
B18B Main Bearing Set
2.013-2.010 mm 0.0793"-0.0791"
2.010-2.007 mm 0.0791"-0.0790"
2.007-2.004 mm 0.0790"-0.0789"
2.004-2.001 mm 0.0789"-0.0788"
2.001-1.998 mm 0.0788"-0.0787"
1.998-1.995 mm 0.0787"-0.0785"
1.995-1.922 mm 0.0785"-0.0757"
Conrod Bearing Set
1.510-1.507 mm 0.0594"-0.0593"
1.507-1.504 mm 0.0593"-0.0592"
1.504-1.501 mm 0.0592"-0.0591"
1.501-1.498 mm 0.0591"-0.0590"
1.498-1.495 mm 0.0590"-0.0589"
1.495-1.492 mm 0.0589"-0.0587"
1.492-1.489 mm 0.0587"-0.0586"
The thinnest bearing is red, followed by pink, yellow, green, brown,
black, and blue. If you looked at the chart I provided in my last reply,
you'll see that the bearings are graduated in .0002" increments.
So if you replace a green half with a brown, you're decreasing the
clearance by .0002", if you go with two browns, the difference would be
.0004".
Now, if you're trying to beat the plastigauge ritual, forget it. You do
it until the clearances are what they need to be, or you can worry
yourself sick over the life expectancy of your engine once it's in the car.
Try going to brown bearings in the caps for the journals that are
currently green (leave the green bearings in the block.) Take a green
bearing and place it in the cap instead of the yellow. Measure the
clearance.
We like to see .0015" -.0017".
Splitting the colors is an accepted way of achieving the numbers you're
looking for.
[Modified by Michael Delaney, 8:01 AM 2/22/2002]
Also, mixing colors (2 different bearing sizes) on the same journal is never a good idea...it will not allow that portion of the crank to spin concentrically and possibly lead to premature bearing failure.
more good info in this thread tho.
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Thanks guys for the information!!! That is what I was looking for. Any other opinions would help. Keep them coming.
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