I got the sleeve-over springs (dont say anything) and i have the front almost at max (3.8" drop or so) and the back is about a 3.5" drop, im riding on stock shocks (for now) and wondering If i should used bumpstops? I dont currently have them in and the rear passanger seems to bottom out quiet a bit, any help is appreaciated, the ride is suprisingly not that bad, just gotta take it slow over big bumps but other then that you can live with it, im sure new shocks would make a hell of a difference tho, thanks again!

 

Personally I wont even worry about the bumpstops right now. Id definatly worry about your stock shocks. With bumpstops or not your risking blow out your shocks with that much of a drop. I would look at some new aftermarket shocks before anything else. You can get OEM like shocks starting at $200. If you want something adjustable its about $300 and up. Personally I wouldnt drive the car around much longer until you get new shocks because bumpstops wont prevent the shocks from blowing by much.

 

When would you not want bumpstops?

 

you always want bumpstops. they prevent the shock from physically bottoming out. when you do that you will blow the shock out for sure.

 

how's the bouncy ride/negative camber/horrible tire wear/bottoming out all the time/having to drive slow because your car is too low doing for you?

you need to be practical about your modifications...if you want to go that low, air ride is probably your best bet...we don't really do that on h-t, so you'll have to look elsewhere to find out some details about it...however, if you want a car that handles well and is actually driveable, i'd suggest lifting the perches about 2 inches and getting some shocks that can match the more aggressive springs...

 

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you need to be practical about your modifications...if you want to go that low, air ride is probably your best bet...we don't really do that on h-t, so you'll have to look elsewhere to find out some details about it..</TD></TR></TABLE>

or you could just pm me for details.

 

At that level of drop it's entirely possible that without bumpstops of some nature that you could concievably damage your struts when they run out of travel.

Ideally, the control piston inside the strut is in the middle of it's travel as the car sits. By using stock struts and then dropping the suspension you effectively reduce that travel that the strut would have used to absorb the impacts while driving.

It must be like driving a roller skate......

 

it doesnt happen, your damper will be destroy in no time anyway.

and for the record, you will never never want a street setup without a proper length bumpstop.

Most of the quality suspension spring will have a spec sheet telling you how much bumpstop you gonna cutting away

 

Im saving up for aftermarket shocks, and probably wont have it this low when i do get them dont wanna blow them fast, what happens if one of my stock struts goes? the car is still driveable right, just more bouncy and really harsh? Thanks, sorry noob here.

 

it still driveable but it will bounce like...hell

 

Driveable? Yes

Safe? No.

 

If i get KYB AGX or any other non-oem spec aftermarket shocks and i keep it at that drop, am i risking blowing the aftermarket shocks or are they made to handle this kind of drop/these kind of springs, thanks.

 

What you might want to do (to be absolutely sure) is to check the full collapsed measurement between both the upper and lower shock mount and compare that to the length of the strut when fully collapsed. Ideally, the strut should be slightly shorter. That way, along with a proper bumpstop you'll have a fully functioning suspension that won't require kidney belts for the passengers.
At best, these attempts at lowering a chassis is a compromise at best. The rides we're trying to emmulate are specific built with a lower stance from the get-go; and we can only hope to get close.

P

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by P_Adams &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What you might want to do (to be absolutely sure) is to check the full collapsed measurement between both the upper and lower shock mount and compare that to the length of the strut when fully collapsed. Ideally, the strut should be slightly shorter. That way, along with a proper bumpstop you'll have a fully functioning suspension that won't require kidney belts for the passengers.
At best, these attempts at lowering a chassis is a compromise at best. The rides we're trying to emmulate are specific built with a lower stance from the get-go; and we can only hope to get close.

P</TD></TR></TABLE>

Have any of you guys tried out the Tien Basics?

 

Nope, KYB's and Koni's exclusively.

P

 

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$600 for stech springs on OEM dampers, ill pass

sure, you can ride w/o bump stops. your stock shocks would normally last about two seconds with that kind of a drop -now yours will last about 1/4 that time

 

almost a 4 inch drop is pretty radical..wut aftermarket shock would go with that kind of drop? and by any chance do u kno ur spring rates? im just curious

 

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when you feel like destroying your shocks, remove those pesky bumpstops and go pothole diving

 

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aleks77
do you have any pics of your car w/this drop so we can see what this thread is about?

 

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yes, you are...i believe kyb only warrants their shocks for a maximum of 2.5" drop...anything more and they can blow...koni yellows on the other hand might be your best bet...they actually have a lower perch on the shock...this means you don't have to lower your sleeve coilovers as much to attain the same ride height as you have now...

 

ill have you know that i have tein suspension and its the best suspension ive put in my car. we've done lots of experimenting with my car and that is one product i do not regret buying for my car. i actually went out and bought the tein ss's with the edfc controller for better control of the height and boy im having a ball i love going to like car washes and stuff and seeing these guys rip half of their suspension open just to raise their car or drop it. sometimes its funny other times its horrifying like when this one guy thought he could go over a speed bump like normal and did like 25 or 30 mph to it and ripped his exhaust right off of the car i had to stop and breath because if that wouldve been my car i wouldve shot myself

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes, you are...i believe kyb only warrants their shocks for a maximum of 2.5" drop...anything more and they can blow...koni yellows on the other hand might be your best bet...they actually have a lower perch on the shock...this means you don't have to lower your sleeve coilovers as much to attain the same ride height as you have now...</TD></TR></TABLE>

just so you know, the KYB warranty is at 1.5", i believe. ive seen counltess cases where they've been matched with skunk 2 or GC sleeves, and they perform well at 2.5"+ drops. its not that KYB doesnt engineer them to take big drops. if ANYTHING happens to the shocks, and the car is not lowered more than 1.5", they will replace the shock. i've dealt with KYB's customer assistance people, and they are awesome.

if i were to ditch my setup for coilovers, id go with either the omnisport, or the Koni/GC combo

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dansaleen_04 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ill have you know that i have tein suspension and its the best suspension ive put in my car. we've done lots of experimenting with my car and that is one product i do not regret buying for my car. i actually went out and bought the tein ss's with the edfc controller for better control of the height and boy im having a ball i love going to like car washes and stuff and seeing these guys rip half of their suspension open just to raise their car or drop it. sometimes its funny other times its horrifying like when this one guy thought he could go over a speed bump like normal and did like 25 or 30 mph to it and ripped his exhaust right off of the car i had to stop and breath because if that wouldve been my car i wouldve shot myself</TD></TR></TABLE>

doesnt the EDFC control dampening force, not ride height??

 

Regarding the warranty...just how will they know "for sure" how low the car was lowered? I mean, anyone can just say "yes, i only lowered it 1.5 inches"?

And yes, the EDFC does only control dampening.....NOT ride height. The only way I know of that can control ride height at "a touch of a button" is either air systems or hydraulics.

 

I wouldn't be on stock shocks on a 3.5 drop at all. Just cut the stops in half. If you don't run bump stops you run a HIGH risk of bending the shocks piston/rod