Okay,

Enough is enough,i want to TURBO!

I'm sick of admiring those damn SRT-4's! "Pshh pshh.." the sound of boost makes me WANT one! EWWW DODGE!

I'm looking for a turbo kit that i can use on my stock engine, of course with a nice FMIC. im not looknig to upgrade internals/too hardcore. I also dont want to run alot of boost either. I'm aiming for 240-250whp That will be enough for me.

Whats the most cost effective turbo? and how much does it cost? and how much does labour/tuning run altogether? .. So basically a finished package?

If you have done it, or know anyone that has and has the cost involved PLEASE let me know, thanks I'd like to build a nice sold 13 second ITR that can hang with the STi's.

 

Turbo Kit

http://www.full-race.com/catal...id=30


Example

http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=1344

 

$4000USD is quite a bit for a turbo kit.

How much labour/tuning usually run?

 

from my previos post the other year.. to sum it up, don't boost if you can't afford the repairs and rebuilds

"if you want to have great turbo experience, then you have to accept the fact that you may need to spend 10-15K over that period of time (all would depend on when your stock motor will let go and how you take care of it).
Although to get things going you probably won't spend more than 6-8K on a good setup, you could easily jump into 7 digits by replacing parts. So... if you can live with that, then i say why not.
If properly tuned and put together you'll have stock like reliability and drivability. Its just putting it together right that you need to take time to figure out and just do it right. And for taking care of setup once its done, you can't make any errors for maintanance and driving of course.

Now, if you want to extend reliability, just turn down your hp. I'd recommend low 200's for stock motor, mid-high 200's for stock motor with forged pistons/rods with stock sleeves. While on hp issue, every car this days just has more hp out the box and easy to tweak.. so when you spend so much money towards your itr, you want your setup to be really fast, otherwise.. you're making a slow car not as slow."

 

oh, and i know there are people who daily drive and all that, but you gotta have a beater when you turbocharge itr.. you can drive it everyday, but when **** goes wrong, you gotta have a backup unless you have time to repair it rightaway every single time.

 

So i guess my best bet would just to buy an STi/WRX.....?

I REALLY want to have a FAST TURBO ITR and show everyone up on the track, but i dont want to upgrade too much and cost myself a arm and a leg like you mentioned... also i need a daily driver which i put 4000Kms/monthly. and I don't want hassle, repairing, etc.

If its truly not capable of running a turbo application without reliability , or peace of mind then i think i'll pass and go ahead with a car thats turbo outta the box? WRX.

 

This link may provide some help for you.
http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=421

 

well.. sti is not fast out the box and same goes for all the others, so when you start modifying you end up in same situation as you have with your itr, you just have to weight out the differences.. i'm only giving you the worst side of the story, you can spend as little as few thousand, but why go into anything if you can't afford to handle the risks..

my reasons for sticking with itr is because i can get it back on the road for few grand if to rebuild, i'm able to do most maintnance and parts repair is reasonably priced. for the price of evo or sti plus upgrades i'd rather rebuild one, two or three times.

 

The ITR motor really isn't all that great for high levels of boost unless you tear into it a bit. This has just been my experience. The motor itself is running pretty high compression, so throwing boost into the equation makes things a bit sketchy. Oh, and 240whp will probably require something like 8-10 lbs of boost, and you really might not want to run that much on the stock internals. Again, I'm no expert but this is just what I've learned through the years. Another thing is you really can't just expect to bolt up a turbo kit and have everything else be fine. You're going to need some fuel management, all the supporting turbo pieces (wastegate, BOV, couplers, lines, etc) which can end up nickle and diming you to death. Then you may want to consider upgrading your clutch, and well...then it kind of snowballs from there. Anyway, best of luck with your decision, and search around in the FI section and you'll learn anything you could have ever possibly wanted to know about turbocharging a Honda. Good Luck!

Tyler

 

A STi is not fast out of the box? Are you kidding me?

 

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the STi only pulls a 13.3 1320 because its AWD

the STi isnt fast out of the box

my ITR is supercharged and making a conservative 240-250 whp, and i dont keep up with EVO's or STi's on the highway....I DESTROY THEM!

even off the line, i hold my own

just something to ponder

an STi is so played out, everyone has em now and quite frankly its just a rally car and if the DRAG STRIP is all you care about....the ITR was a bad choice of cars because it was meant to HANDLE

 

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I can't believe you just posted that.

 

I owned a turbo GSR that put down 230whp, sold it and now I currently own a 350whp Evo... now I'm trading it for a 450whp ITR in the next few weeks - I can attest to the STi and the Evo being "slow" out of the box, but it's only because all of the people I cruise around with are running in the 11s. Speed is all relative I guess. An Sti or an Evo ARE fast to people who are running cars that do 14s. Stock STis and Evos were fast to me when I was in the GSR, but are slow to me now...but even now I'm slow to all my friends so...yeah

 

if your looking for something simple and not break the bank, I would really suggest a drag turbo kit, upgrade the wastegate, 440cc injectors, walbro 255 intank pump, and hondata s200.

Those can all be had for 3000 or under by searching deals on this site. I have had 3 drag kits, and I cannot complain. If you buy it from importparts.com, you will have a lifetime warranty on the manifold. The fitment was perfect each time I have owned one too add some points.

 

With the Hondata, I always thought that you didn't NEED a fuel pump...I had the S200b in my GSR and I asked about 10 different experts and they all said I didn't need one. So I guess now I'm confused - is it just for a safety issue?

 

You need to find a pump that will flow at least enough fuel to supply all of the injectors at 100% duty cycle

 

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Or just run a stock fuel pump and bigger injectors.....

I run a stock itr motor with toda A cams, and greddy off the shelf turbo kit + johnny racecar intercooler. 780cc injectors (WAAAY oversized), and uberdata.

That's it. I've been daily driving it for about 6 months or so and no problems.

My right foot isn't THAT heavy, and for the most part I take it easy and ride around in vacuum. But the power IS there when/ if you need it.

 

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I'd do the fuel pump anyway. You need to keep the fuel pressure high or the fuel will be fighting the air pressure in the intake manifold

Plus, in case you have some-sort-of wastegate issue, and you spike your boost really high, having extra fuel in the reserves could save your day. It happened to me, a banjo bolt on the wastegate backed out a little and I was boosting like 15 lbs on a stock motor.

It's amazing my stock motor lasted as long as it did.

-Chris

 

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my ITR is supercharged and making a conservative 240-250 whp, and i dont keep up with EVO's or STi's on the highway....I DESTROY THEM!

even off the line, i hold my own
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I wondered why people scoff at your postings, then I read this tidbit and it's crystal to me now.


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I can't believe you just posted that. </TD></TR></TABLE>

No ****. The rest of it as well.


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That's because you tards measure everything in 1/4 mile times


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I'd do the fuel pump anyway. You need to keep the fuel pressure high or the fuel will be fighting the air pressure in the intake manifold

It's amazing my stock motor lasted as long as it did.

-Chris</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'd tend to listen to this guy. It's also amazing how many issues he has solved or has to solve frequently when the **** is past 11 to 14 seconds of driving.

 

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What happens when there is not enough fuel pressure for your bigger injectors? Do your experts push past 80 percent duty cycle? Id be scared to call them experts. Every fast FI car I know NEEDs an upgraded fuel pump intank. 70 bucks for a fuel punp is a small price to pay, rather than run a chance of leaning out and blowing stuff up.

 

"fast, cheap, reliable

pick two of the three."

someone said it on this forum, but i forgot who.

 

talking about STI, my ITR is all show no go...

 

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On a stock motor, you're going to run maybe 12psi max... that's not enough for the injectors to have to overcome pressure wise...

Besides, even the cheapest (free) fuel management - such as uberdata - has boost cut features... use them.

 

Drag Turbo kit is the best choise for you , It`s not that very expensive and you get all the parts you need ! Set the boost at 7 psi and you should be fine with the stock Type R motor !

Talk to Ben from ImportParts.com and he will hook you up with a Drag Turbo kit for your Integra , it has all the parts you need to get things running including an In line fuel pump and an FMU ( I know , the FMU is not the best way to go with a fuel managment but the FMU is good till you get things running and run low boost ! )

Also if you want to upgrade your motor later with forged internal and a good Fuel Managment a friend of mine on an Integra TypeR with Drag Turbo kit running 14 psi with forged internals 550cc injectors and Apexi Power FC went 11.5 @ 120 MPH at the quarter mile , so who says crap about the drag turbo kit dont listen to him

Good Luck

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by intekragsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if your looking for something simple and not break the bank, I would really suggest a drag turbo kit, upgrade the wastegate, 440cc injectors, walbro 255 intank pump, and hondata s200.

Those can all be had for 3000 or under by searching deals on this site. I have had 3 drag kits, and I cannot complain. If you buy it from importparts.com, you will have a lifetime warranty on the manifold. The fitment was perfect each time I have owned one too add some points.

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I'd have to agree. Turbocharging shouldn't have to break the bank. My first turbo car was a 97 Integra LS. I paid $3100.00 for the kit and $400.00 for the clutch (no other mods). Back then those were bargain prices! After 2 years of boosting all over CA, I took the kit off, sold it, and returned the car to the leasing company in perfect condition. You have to pay to play but you don't have to pay that much to have fun.

These days, you can get a DRAG kit for much less than what I paid 8 years ago:

http://www.importparts.com/sho...id=15