would a skunk2 stage 3 be too radical with no headwork and an 11.8:1 CR?

 

depends on the motor, what is your setup.

 

b16 82mm bore
11.8:1 comp
smsp header
aebs manifold
head will be milled 0.035 with stock HG


thats all that will effect the cam selection. my other alternatives are BC4 or jun 3 or 4 from what ive been looking at. ive already got a beefy valvetrain brand new in a shoebox. so i cant justify the 9-something for the rockets plus the valvetrain. only looking to make power to about 9300 or so. want something similiar to roger foo's old set-up. only difference being the enlarged bore. thats where im looking to make more power.

i just dont want to have to take my head to portflow or alaniz and throwdown 1400 for a headjob and a 2 week turn around if i can get away with cleaning up the ports myself. mostly just a little polishing of the floors



Modified by CRXofPain at 11:24 AM 8/6/2005

 

injectors are rc 310

im still working with the ecu. right now its a chipped pw0 with a safc2.

 

skunk2 pro1's stage 3's are to big for that motor.

 

Is tha tyour compression ratio before or after the head milling?

 

thats the final CR after the mil is done. pistons domed 5cc

stage3 too large? i thought the pro series was larger than all that came before it and skunk2 stage 3 came before the pro series so wouldnt that make the stage 3 more mild that the pro 1s? maybe im just effing lost. ill probably run what steve the omni dude ran in his which is dynamic stage a for those of you not in the know

 

The cams would likely work pretty well, but I'd say you could get optimal power with somethign a bit smaller. Just my opinion mind you.

 

jun 3 maybe? toda c?

im not looking for a dyno queen or bragging rights i just know that 125 ft lbs and 200whp is possible from 1595 cc and i want something i can run the **** out of at buttonwillow and vegas. 200hp is more interesting when the front of the block says b16a 5768201

thanks for the help

 

Not sure.....I'd do searches and compare the specs on the 3 cam sets. If I recall correctly the Jun 3's did very well on a 16A head with SMSP header. Try doing an search for it, but thats the direction I would start looking in.

 

Roger Foo made 193whp, or so. and the main reason he made it was the headwork. i believe Omni did the work. oh yeah, Foo only had s2s1's, and, a sick f.d. to get that 16 to sing. g/l with the project

 

thanks. as soon as i heard the power number i knew it had to be headwork. time to start talking to portflow. he did omnis 200hp b16 head. apparently its "all in the angles" sounds like a sick valve job.

 

stage 3's would be too big for a 1.6L in my opinion... omniman used m22's too reach the 200whp mark i believe

 

for the money you cant beat the s2s2's for your setup

 

he didnt usae rockets he used dynamic stage a. waitll the dvd comes out.

i just want something bigger than a skunk2 stage2. im goign to go forth with the headwork. and i think 11.8:1 is enuff comp to run something larger.

im not dismissing info that i dont want to hear as incorrect or anything i just think theres a happier medium between s2s2 and say a s2 pro stage 3 or bc5.

 

Steve was using the Dynamic Autosports cams, but he switched them out for the M22's to get him past 200. I would be really concerned about valve to piston clearence with a S2S3 since you have milled the head. 12.8 is a TON of lift, I would opt for the M22 with your motor set up..they would absolutely rip. A Jun 3, S2S2, or S2 Pro 1 would work well also. M22's LOVE B16's

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRXofPain &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he didnt usae rockets he used dynamic stage a. waitll the dvd comes out.

i just want something bigger than a skunk2 stage2. im goign to go forth with the headwork. and i think 11.8:1 is enuff comp to run something larger.

im not dismissing info that i dont want to hear as incorrect or anything i just think theres a happier medium between s2s2 and say a s2 pro stage 3 or bc5.</TD></TR></TABLE>

he did used dynmics..but then changed em out and gained with the m22's..thats what he told me anyway

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRXofPain &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he didnt usae rockets he used dynamic stage a. waitll the dvd comes out.

i just want something bigger than a skunk2 stage2. im goign to go forth with the headwork. and i think 11.8:1 is enuff comp to run something larger.

im not dismissing info that i dont want to hear as incorrect or anything i just think theres a happier medium between s2s2 and say a s2 pro stage 3 or bc5.</TD></TR></TABLE>

and i dont think a pro stage 3 has been released yet..has it even been made?

 

i meant pro 2. sorry. typo. where can i get m22 without gettign the valvetrain with it? or is that a no-go. also...is the m22 an entirely new concept or is ther something very very close if not identical out there? i heard the june 3 and s2s2 are identical. im not trying to take away from the rocket guys at all. just kinda would liek to know.

 

try searchin around.. boosted_hybrid had some for sale ...might be others out there with em fs

 

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Thought you said it was overcammed?

 

The Pro3+ is available.

 

Mine is overcammed right now, but only because I am TRYING to run the stock ecu, injectors, timing and header right now

 

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Ah.....gotcha.

 

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The M22's and S2 Pro 1's, depending on what motor, build very similar horsepower. I like the duration of the M22's for a B16, they give it an awesome top end pull. The S2 Pro 3's are only available to "certain" people. I read somewhere that Dave isn't going to sell them to just anyone, like a full blown race cam only.