Omni coilovers or ground control?

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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 06:51 AM
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I've been researchin for my suspension and i narrowed it down to a couple i like.. ground controls always been on my mind since way before i purchased my present car but recently password started carryin omni power and i jumped ship and heard some good things about omni but i dont have 650 to spare right now and i'm in the process of building my motor so i dont want to take very much money away from that. what i'm asking is "If you were in my place" with a stock crx would you wait and get the omni or go ahead and upgrade to ground control and some aftermarket shocks?!?!
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 07:44 AM
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I think the omni street setup is too bouncy while daily driving. Especially on small bumps. The dampers are just no good at low speed dampening.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 08:23 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SETI20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the omni street setup is too bouncy while daily driving. Especially on small bumps. The dampers are just no good at low speed dampening.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you speaking from personal experience, or just what you have heard. I have 3 friends with the full street coilovers in their cars that I installed and they all ride great. I run the sports in my 91 hatch, they are stiff, but also ride/handle great.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 08:47 AM
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A friend of mine has them on his EG hatch.
They're for sale...for obvious reasons.

Maybe the sports are better. These tend to get really annoying on the highway with lots of subtle bumps.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 06:14 AM
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i'm the type that couldnt care less about ride as long as it handles
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 06:40 AM
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If it were me, I'd save up and get the omni setup, great bang for the buck.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 07:03 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hbracer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm the type that couldnt care less about ride as long as it handles</TD></TR></TABLE>
That sounds retarded. It's inherently the same thing.
If it bounces while driving to the grocery store, what would keep it from bouncing all over the place when I want to turn into a 90 degree hard left?
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 09:10 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SETI20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the omni street setup is too bouncy while daily driving. Especially on small bumps. The dampers are just no good at low speed dampening.</TD></TR></TABLE>
"Low-speed damping" refers to damper piston speed, not the speed of the car. Low-speed damping would involve body roll. Bumps involve high-speed damping.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 09:24 AM
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Yes, that is exactly what I mean. It appears that at low (piston) speeds the dampers don't work properly, or are underpowered.
Whatever is the issue, they seem to do a lousy job at compensating for spring movement.

It seems to do it consistently on all 4's. So it's not 1 faulty damper unfortunately.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 11:46 AM
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going to the grocery store and making hard turns on a back road are two different things. when your flyin down the road you dont care what the bumps are. i've never heard a race car driver win a race and get out of his car and say " yea i won but this damn car rides ruff"
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hbracer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">going to the grocery store and making hard turns on a back road are two different things. when your flyin down the road you dont care what the bumps are. i've never heard a race car driver win a race and get out of his car and say " yea i won but this damn car rides ruff"</TD></TR></TABLE>
Um, no. There are plenty of cases in which a car can be too stiff for a particular track, making it difficult to control and to put power down. A good car setup will have the best compromise between handling and smoothness. Damper valving with a digressive force/velocity curve (such as found in the Koni Sport) is a step in the right direction.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 01:09 PM
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I'd go ground control, unless you're into shocks that have a tendancy of breaking in half. in which case, feel free to get some omnipowers.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 02:11 PM
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well if omni's so bad what do you all suggest that is under 1k
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 02:17 PM
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Ground Controls with custom spring rates and Koni Sport dampers. That'll run you a little under $1000.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 05:45 PM
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k-sports or tein basics
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 06:36 PM
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Get some K-sports. My ground control w/ koni yellows is pretty stiff for DD but I have the option of doing a infinite amount of adjustment.

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