so i have a 97 cx hatch with an ls swap and im trying to install ac..ofcourse, the cx model does not come equipped with any type of ac..
so ive been searching for parts, and so far ive found (i think everything i need) evaporator,blower,condensor,and all lines from a 98ex.. NOW HERES THE CONFUSION.. ive been told bc i have the swap, i need a b series compressor? is this true?? also, someone told me that i dont need a b series compressor, i can use an sohc compressor, just get a crv bracket..can anyone please confirm this for me?? also, let me kno if ih ave all of the correct parts needed..please keep in mind that i need EVERYTHING..including under the dash...THANKS IN ADVANCE!!

 

yeah i heard you can use to crv bracket. i believe the crv bracket would fit because i was looking for a new ac compressor and the civic and the crv has the same part number. but i recommend getting the del sol dohc vtec bracket (p54). because my friend had put one on his swap on a 97 ek with the sohc compressor. i have a eg w/swap with the same bracket. don't forget the reciever/drier, relays, and wiring harness for the condensor fan and relay if you don't have one already.


Modified by shyboi4u at 10:14 PM 8/3/2005

 

yea..but i seen a thread on a debate between the crv bracket and the sol vtec bracket, and the sol costs more..but in the same sense, they're both compatible with a civic compressor then? and i dont need to find a b series compressor, right?
thanks for ur help, shyboi..can anyone else vouch for this??

 

i say get the crv bracket try it out and if it don't fit go and exchange for the del sol bracket. you don't need the b series compressor unless you want to go though headaches trying to find all the parts to make it fit. i thinks it cheaper to get the bracket. i paid 100 for my del sol bracket. brand new.

 

where can i find the bracket and all the relays? idont see any here on ht

 

i found my bracket on eBay. but if you want to try the crv to make shure it works i suggest honda dealer so you can return if it don't work. get the relays from honda too.

here is a little reference of what all you will need.

 

lol...this thing should be labeled!!

 

another question..whats the difference between a compressor with a clutch, and one without? if ppl are selling em with one, then shouldnt they all have it? also, what is SANDEN series?? if anyone can answer this, that would be great! THANKS!!

 

Sanden is who makes the a/c compressors for at least civics and del sols. 94-2001 (I believe) a/c compressors it doesn't matter if it's SOHC or DOHC it'll be like TRS090. The best way I know of to check parts compatibility is to just go to your favorite parts store's website and punch in the different models and check and see if the part numbers are the same.

There is a lot of misinformation, some people equate the 92-95 and 96-2001 model changes with a/c changes, and that's just not true.

 

You can use either compressor but it's going to require some more money. You can use the SOHC compressor with a P7J a/c brackett (about $80 from the dealer) or you can use the DOHC but you have to get 99-00 Si high pressure and low pressure rubber lines. Also, get the system vaccumed, fill the system with oil 7-8 oz of pag46, yadi yadi ya! Just do it right when charging and always charge into a vaccum. AND DONT USE THOSE DIY RECHARGE kits. Those are the worst thing the a/c companies have come outwith because they eat your system inside out. Those things should be illegal because they do more harm than good

The SOHC's use the Saden compressors and the DOHC use Nippondenso ones

A compressor with a clutch has the a clutch (kinda obvious). This means its basically a complete compressor. You might have to get the top plate if you are buying the ones off ebay. The ones w/o dont have the wheel on the side of the compressor which is where the clutch is located in.

 

thanks for the replies guys! good lookin out

 

i have a bracket if you need it.. a del sol one... pm me

 

You need an accumulator dryer as well. Without that you will destroy the compressor. And yes, I would think that you would need a b series compressor but I'm not positive, they could all be the same.

 

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This is all part of the normal charge procedure, all he has to do is bring it somewhere and say, "charge my a/c" and they will do all of this.


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So Mr. Wizard how do you put the a/c system under a vacuum and charge it at the same time? Seems the people at Robinair who made almost every GOOD a/c machine on this planet left that part out.


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They are fine. It is people who are stupid and can't use them right. Oh yea, why don't you explain how SUVA, a hydrofluorcarbon, can eat an a/c system inside out?


Modified by JDM-97CX at 6:16 PM 8/10/2005


Modified by JDM-97CX at 6:17 PM 8/10/2005

 

Use the D SERIES COMPRESSOR WITH A del slow P54 ac bracket....then you can use all the other dseries parts!

 

Obviously buddy, you've never charged an a/c system correctly. First you pull a vaccum for about a good 3 hours. Then you shut off your gauges (which holds a vaccum in the lines which should be about 29inHg at sea level), now you are about ready to charge so you purge the air out of the service line (middle, yellow one). Now you are charging into a vaccum.

You add oil while assembling a system so you get oil through out the system instead of charging the oil through the service port so you get oil throughout the whole system.

Most of those DIY kits contain "leak stop" and different types of oil and if you knew anything about mixing oils, then you should know that you NEVER MIX OILS.

Do your research son and then get back to me and stop acting like you know it all but you really dont.

 

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3 hours huh? Seems like ASE left that off the test that I passed with a 100%. That was also left out of my $24k education at Lincoln Technical Institute in Indianapolis which I graduated from with a 3.91 GPA.

If you were supposed to hold vacuum for three hours an a/c system charge would pay alot more than 6 tenths flat rate.

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29 inches of mercury eh? That's way off. You pull a vacuum on a system until you hit 5 inches consistently for about 3 minutes or so. If you disagree with me you can go ahead and call Delmar learning, this is the company that writes just about every automotive training text book, because I'm sure that they would love to hear from you that they are wrong.

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Where the hell do you get your information from? Obviously not a very reliable source. The oil lubricates the ONLY moving part in the system, the compressor.

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They contain either polyalkaline glycol or mineral oil. Now they will never contain both because mineral oil is used ONLY with freon and polyalkaline glycol is used with SUVA because it is a synthetic.
Now for a system that has been converted from R-12(freon) to R-134A(SUVA) ester oil is used because there is still going to be some mineral oil in the system. You know what that means? Ester and mineral can be mixed without a problem.

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Do your own research because I have all ready done three years of mine. Not to mention the time I have worked for Lincoln doing driveability, which at the dealer that I work for includes, but is not limited to, engine performance, electrical, HVAC and trim.

If you would like to argue further I will simply scan the pages in my textbook which is right in front of me and post them.

And you still have yet to answer my question of how SUVA can eat through and a/c system.

 

JDM EJ1 95 pmed

 

oh lord buddy, do whatever you want, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to charge an a/c. I feel bad for you if you paid $24k for something that takes an hour to learn. I didnt even read your reply to be honest with you because its useless to me because I know the proper way to charge my system anyway and ive dont it hundreds or times so far and no problems yet

 

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So you learned how to diagnose, repair, replace, everything on a car in an hour? Good for you.

And for the record, your way might work for you but it is not the proper way of doing it.


Hundreds of times huh? Well if you have done it that much on your car then you are not doing it right.

Oh btw, it is pointless to charge an ac system unless it has a leak. If there is no leak than it will never need to be charged.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eg cookiemonster &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Obviously buddy, you've never charged an a/c system correctly. First you pull a vaccum for about a good 3 hours. Then you shut off your gauges (which holds a vaccum in the lines which should be about 29inHg at sea level), now you are about ready to charge so you purge the air out of the service line (middle, yellow one). Now you are charging into a vaccum.

You add oil while assembling a system so you get oil through out the system instead of charging the oil through the service port so you get oil throughout the whole system.

Most of those DIY kits contain "leak stop" and different types of oil and if you knew anything about mixing oils, then you should know that you NEVER MIX OILS.

Do your research son and then get back to me and stop acting like you know it all but you really dont.

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3 hours huh? Funny, when I passed my ASE test for AC service and repair, they specifically said that 30 mins would be more then sufficient. Even funnier, when you work in a shop as a professional, 15 minutes is all they do... You sure you know anything about what you preach here? According to the Honda helm, 8oz of oil would be WAY too much, but hey, what do us dumbasses know?

 

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We don't know anything because this is what we do for a living. Duh, no one knows anything about their own job.

 

eg cookiemonster: Congrats for being the one of biggest retardos on H-T. It's elitest ******** like you that THINK they know the right way to do it and preach it. I know that I can admit when I'm wrong, or not 100% sure of something. Please leave for the good of this forum. BTW, I too am certified to service AC systems, and I just had my AC class 6 weeks ago. I'm not even going to get into how wrong you are, cuz its already been done by people that are just as qualified as me.


Modified by Cone at 1:11 PM 8/13/2005

 

lol, go diagnose some a/c systems with an hour of knowledge, i'd like to watch and laugh my *** off

 

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We don't know anything because this is what we do for a living. Duh, no one knows anything about their own job.
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hit it right on the head