hello, um ive been wanted a b16 for couple months but that hoe is expensive, and i need an engine sometime in the next couple of months. either way im going to have to go to mpfi cause std's are gay >< im also tired of my 4 speed pos

um would a zc engine be better or a d15b vtec? they are both over 100 horses plus with the 5 speed tranny instead of my gay 4 speed ive heard these motors are like a direct bolt on in the bay since they are basically the same thing as my stock engine only with better internals im guessing. which one would u guys recomend??? thx

also wut would the 1/4 times be with suspension and possible intake ? ? ??

another reason i want an engine cause i wanna beat my friends z24 ******* cavalier ><<>>>><><<>&g t;<<><>><

 

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I like the ZC. I've heard the internals are a little beefier in case you plan to go forced induction. You don't have to wire vtec. And the tranny that comes with it is the best in the D-series business.

I ran a 15.5 in the quarter in my '89 DX CRX w/ZC I/H/E and DX tranny.

^ And I suck at teh drag racing.

 

if i got a zc or d15 vtec i wouldnt do **** for upgrading or forced induction, it would basically be a cheap engine upgrade of the next step to a b16 and possible a ls vtec. but i dunno if i wanna wait till like march to swap out this 60 hp 4 speed pos

but ive heard u can take like a d15 vtec with some internals and such and make it produce more power than a b16 for less than a b16, but in the long run there not the strongest engine

 

You can squeeze blood from a turnip, but the turnip will soon die.

If I were in your position I would wait it out, build what you REALLY want. No sense in dealing with the hassle of two swaps in your DD, along with all the headaches and troubleshooting that go along with swapping. Financially you'll never recover what you spend on this intermediate swap. It'll just be a speed bump on your path to ultimate satisfaction. Good things come to those who wait.

I'm following my own advice. Been rocking this slow-as-molasses LX engine for WAY longer than I originally anticipated. It's humbling, but the reward is very near.

 

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If I were in your position I would wait it out, build what you REALLY want. No sense in dealing with the hassle of two swaps in your DD, along with all the headaches and troubleshooting that go along with swapping. Financially you'll never recover what you spend on this intermediate swap. It'll just be a speed bump on your path to ultimate satisfaction. Good things come to those who wait.

I'm following my own advice. Been rocking this slow-as-molasses LX engine for WAY longer than I originally anticipated. It's humbling, but the reward is very near.</TD></TR></TABLE>
A ******* MEN
i've made mistakes *as I look back*
If i just went with my brand new ls/vtec i'd be happy along time ago instead of getting a a6 and GSR and all this down time i've had.

 

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If I were in your position I would wait it out, build what you REALLY want. No sense in dealing with the hassle of two swaps in your DD, along with all the headaches and troubleshooting that go along with swapping. Financially you'll never recover what you spend on this intermediate swap. It'll just be a speed bump on your path to ultimate satisfaction. Good things come to those who wait.

I'm following my own advice. Been rocking this slow-as-molasses LX engine for WAY longer than I originally anticipated. It's humbling, but the reward is very near.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hmm alright b16 it is. but i reallly HATE my 4 speed manual. and the only way to get rid of that is by getting a different transmission which would probly run 300+ why are parts so expensive

 

Homie, stay the course with B16 in mind. The 4 speed may suck (I know, I have one as well), but it will make the swap SO much more worth it in the end!

 

**** waiting. Waiting sucks. Get a dohc zc. They're relatively inexpensive around ($500) and I'm sure someone will have a 5 spd tranny laying around somewhere (preferably ans Si). O yah and the ecu. An 89 integ ecu can be found at most junkyards for dirt cheap. For a small amount of $$$ you can get a decent setup with a ZC. You wont be the fastent in the world but you should be running 15's. I jes hate having to see someone suffer.

 

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hmm i got 2 people saying zc and like 3 saying wait and b16 in it

um ive checked sites for the zc and d15b vtec, u need the 5 speed tranny which is not with package and the ecu which u just explained in all that so ya.

but dohc vtec does rule...

but ya thx for opinions people, honda experts gotta love em

 

Save for the b16. That four speed will just give you a little motivation to keep saving

 

i have a d16zc in my hatch. it pulls. hard. well, when i have traction anyways. personally my best time was a 15.9, but the kid i bought the car from said he ran a 14.8. i belive it, i had balled *** tires when i ran, sat at the line spinnin for more than a second, and i had horrible r/ts. once i get some new tires, ill let u know what im running.

 

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14.8 isnt bad for a z6/ef...but a 15.9...ur drivin is the problem not ur tires

 

no, its definitely my tires. they have no tread at all. like i said im gonna shoot back up there when i get some new ones, and see what i do

 

I'm in the exact same situation, and I was considering the ZC as well... But once I had saved enough for the ZC, I realized "Why not just keep saving, get a b16 swap?". I've got about $2000 right now, which is a lot of money for a college kid to save.

I suggest you just keep on savin man. A b16 is so superior to a ZC.

 

no, its definitely my tires. they have no tread at all. like i said im gonna shoot back up there when i get some new ones, and see what i do

 

sorry about that double post, i have no idea how that happened.

 

if you wanna decide between a d15b and a dohc zc motor, you got things to think about.

my d15b (i/h/e mild uberdata tuning with fidanza flywheel) made 131whp with 105 torque. engine has been kicking *** for 2 years with mucho overrevving, i felt 8000rpm was appropriate for the next gear rpm points, but now 7500 is my race limit. engine has seen over 200whp and 8000 rpm on boost. now, ive taken the boost off and im redoing the turbo kit. how's the motor? runs perfect to me all the way to 7500.

btw, i did an obd-1 conversion with a p28 ecu. that makes it a bit more expensive than an obd-0 zc with a cheap older teg ecu. im sure the zc will make similar numbers, but i enjoy taking my motor past 7000rpm with out fear considering it has a shorter stroke than a zc.


my overrall conclusion. go b-series. **** a b16, try to get a b18c, maybe even a c5 if u wanna get nasty. all motor 13 sec passes with occassional nitrous sounds good to me. the turbo brings so many various issues of heat, it gets rediculous.

 

oh yeah, both the d15b and zc are direct bolt in. direct bolt in does not mean direct wire in.

if u can get a zc with the zc trans, go for it. other wise, a crx si tranny works great. its far superior to a 5spd dx trans. do not get the dx, i went through it on boost and n/a, and the only reason i used it was that the synch's were perfect. i finally got a good si trans, and its the best mod since the swap to d15b in the n/a sense.

 

If your on a budget and have all the parts needed for the Zc do the ZC. IF you want to get the swap over with and do the b16 just save the money and do it. Its the littler parts that will nickle and dime you to death. Plus Vtec is so nice. With mods in either engine set up you can bend that Z24 domestic box over. IF you wanna talk bad trannies i got an hf tranny on my ZC and talk about a giant shackle to my car. Spree the extra cash for the Zc tranny or an Si tranny both are far superior to the damn hf and your 4 speed. Even if you want to budget some more power do the homemade turbo you can check all these budget set ups at http://homemadeturbo.com/turbo_projects/ and the set up on the ZC which me and some freinds are doing [U http://homemadeturbo.com/turbo_projects/ZC_IHI/ RL][/URL] Either way you go you will be making power and have plenty of mods out there you can use. Which ever one you pic i hope you enjoy

 

boost single cam = cheaper than b-series and no doubt will beat it....unless the b-series boost but that ain't cheap :D

 

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