What would you guys prefer?
On the street will be tune by wideband.

The way i see it is that with street tune you can tune to each individual gear and on the dyno it's on the 3rd gear full throttle tuning.

What would be the pros and cons of each?

I would think that after street tuning,going back to the dyno for some touch ups is good.
But then again its only 3rd gear pull.

Care to discuss?

 

you can tune each rpm/gear/speed on the dyno as well. you just need to find the right dyno and tuner who can do it for you. a dynojet is NOT the dyno for that type of tuning.

 

Are you asking about this because it's something you want to try yourself?

If you're not asking for yourself, then I hope you don't mind if I say that the secret is finding the right tuner with the right reputation.

My little 1.8 only has 190 wheel horsepower on stock cams, but in the actual driving of it seems stronger than any K motor I have ever driven.

Personally I'd find a good tuner with a good reputation and let him decide how he wants to tune it.

 

The tuner i had conversation with today was the best Honda tuner in Malaysia i would say. Taking 1st place wins in NA drag & circuit racing.
He says even the Evo6 he drives he tuned on the street and only went to the dyno to adjust boost.

I am not capable of tuning myself and will have them tune it.
90% of his customers he tunes on the street and goes to the dyno after for some fine tuning.

The main concern i have is the car being too lean.

Only 2 types of dyno is available in Kuala Lumpur and that is Dynojet and 1 shop has a Dyno Dynamics.

 

If you have decided on the best tuner in Malaysia, and you are sure of his reputation, then I would do whatever he wants.

In my case, my tuner was aware of my concerns for the motor's long life, and he backed down a little bit from what he knew he could get out of the motor in order to ensure the motor's long life. We could have pushed the motor to 200 wheel HP, but you are correct that it would be too lean at the top range of the RPM to ensure the motor's long life.

I'm sure the best tuner in Malaysia would understand your concern for the motor's long life, and he would give you a good compromise, backing away from peak HP to give you better driveability and endurance. A good tuner will understand that most of us will turn better track times with a motor that gives us good torque across a wide RPM band, and that a peaky, VTEC-laden, VTEC-crippled motor would not be the best thing for most of us.

I could probably check on him if he's on the peninsula. I don't know anybody in Sabah or Sarawak.

 

From the race proven results and cars that he has built,also being that 80% of the cars they work on are Honda's i came to the conclusion myself that they are the best tuner for Honda's in the Peninsular.

The were also the 1st and only to do a DC5R swap in a Honda Jazz in 2004.Right after Mugen did theirs.

George,
The shop i am talking about is Amoil and i spoke to Jacky today.
You familiar with this shop?

 

No. I don't go to your country anymore, but I have been there a few times and have a couple dozen acquaintances there. I was going to stay there for the Sultan of Deli's funeral but ended up making other arrangements.

If you're talking about the guys that have cars in the super series, I don't think you're going to do much better. They obviously know how to tune a car to endure under stressful situations.

 

dyno tune results in much better results than "street" tune

 

When I had my car tuned, it was first dyno tuned then street tuned. The street tuning was just to make small adjustments to ensure driveability in actual driving conditions.

 

Or get the best of both worlds.

A loading dyno like the Mustang one and get a good tuner to work on it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Big Phat R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dyno tune results in much better results than "street" tune

</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you compare what you can tune easily on a dynojet, versus what you can tune (with a datalogger, wideband O2, etc.) on the street, you're better off on the street. Less downtime between runs, etc.

If you're tuning for peak power, and not just a given A/F, yeah dyno tune.

I'd prefer that both methods be used. I usually don't drive around standing still with my hood open, I'd like to know what kind of difference in air temp/density/cooling driving will do and have that factored in when being tuned.

Then again, a Mustang dyno would be awfully convenient.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris F &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you compare what you can tune easily on a dynojet, versus what you can tune (with a datalogger, wideband O2, etc.) on the street, you're better off on the street. Less downtime between runs, etc.

If you're tuning for peak power, and not just a given A/F, yeah dyno tune.

I'd prefer that both methods be used. I usually don't drive around standing still with my hood open, I'd like to know what kind of difference in air temp/density/cooling driving will do and have that factored in when being tuned.

Then again, a Mustang dyno would be awfully convenient.</TD></TR></TABLE>

In light of what you mentioned about not driving around with your hood open. Lets say you street tuned in 90 degrees temp. What happens when you run your car at night or a cooler day, or maybe even a hotter day. How is that compensated for?

im just curious

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris F &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd prefer that both methods be used. I usually don't drive around standing still with my hood open, I'd like to know what kind of difference in air temp/density/cooling driving will do and have that factored in when being tuned.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly why the person who tuned my car used both methods.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sim shadeee &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

In light of what you mentioned about not driving around with your hood open. Lets say you street tuned in 90 degrees temp. What happens when you run your car at night or a cooler day, or maybe even a hotter day. How is that compensated for?

im just curious</TD></TR></TABLE>

a) you will run slightly leaner
b) standalone would compensate for temperature difference

my latest setup was only street tuned, it was both street and dyno tuned before the rebuild, but only street tuned after.. only difference was slightly smaller compression. it was tuned in cold winter so i'm good for all year long. hondata s200b does not compensate for temperature changes

 

I want to tune for reliability rather than speak hp.Ohh and i will be using a VAFC2 to tune,not standalone.
Mods are stock B16B with Mugen headgasket/intake/exhaust/Feels 4-2-1.

Also if i were to go for both methods,what would be the order of tuning?
Street then dyno?
Dyno then street?

Only Dyno Dynamics and Dynojet is available where i live and i dont think there is a Mustang dyno in Malaysia.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtec.dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a) you will run slightly leaner
b) standalone would compensate for temperature difference

my latest setup was only street tuned, it was both street and dyno tuned before the rebuild, but only street tuned after.. only difference was slightly smaller compression. it was tuned in cold winter so i'm good for all year long. hondata s200b does not compensate for temperature changes</TD></TR></TABLE>


How well does it compensate? Is there an ems that performs better than the other?

 

dyno then street tune for fine adjustments.

if you really want reliability then get a standalone..

 

By fine adjustments you mean tuning to each individual gear?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thk &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Or get the best of both worlds.

A loading dyno like the Mustang one and get a good tuner to work on it. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Yep. I use to think actual street tuning was nessecary to get the best part throttle tune, but after learning how a Mustang Dyno works it is by far the best tuning tool there is. Being able to go through all of your loads at any rpm interval you want is something that is almost impossible to do on the street.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ActiveAero &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yep. I use to think actual street tuning was nessecary to get the best part throttle tune, but after learning how a Mustang Dyno works it is by far the best tuning tool there is. Being able to go through all of your loads at any rpm interval you want is something that is almost impossible to do on the street.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree. In terms of partial throttle tuning, which IMO is the most key essential form of tuning, having a load-based dyno like a Mustang Dyno works wonders. It is possible to completely tune all RPM and load conditions on the street, but it takes some time getting used to cruising at a consistent speed with your brakes on and near WOT while your tuner plugs away.

The best would be tune as much as you can on the street for fuel trim, then take the car to the dyno for ignition and cam-gear timing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Takashi1978 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I want to tune for reliability rather than speak hp.Ohh and i will be using a VAFC2 to tune,not standalone.
Mods are stock B16B with Mugen headgasket/intake/exhaust/Feels 4-2-1.

Also if i were to go for both methods,what would be the order of tuning?
Street then dyno?
Dyno then street?

Only Dyno Dynamics and Dynojet is available where i live and i dont think there is a Mustang dyno in Malaysia.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Dyno Dynamics Dyno is a loading dyno and is one of the best dynos I have tuned on. We tune partial throttle in all areas of the map (gear is not really rellavant as long as you hit all useable manifold pressure/rpm combonations).

I'd suggest looking into the Dyno Dynamics and ask about loading the carfor partial throttle tuning. Not only can I tune a car better on a dyno I can tune it in 1/2 the time, saving a customer money and giving them better service.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92TypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree. In terms of partial throttle tuning, which IMO is the most key essential form of tuning, having a load-based dyno like a Mustang Dyno works wonders. . .</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dyno Dynamics is just as good as a MUstang dyno forloading and partial throttle tuning. Just an FYI for those not familiar with it.


I've tuned about 15 Hondata setups on a Dyno Dynamics dyno and had great results.

 

Partial throttle, etc. no individual gear.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sim shadeee &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


How well does it compensate? Is there an ems that performs better than the other?</TD></TR></TABLE>

that i dont know much about and don't have any experience with, why i had it tuned during cold weather..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Asahi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> We tune partial throttle in all areas of the map (gear is not really rellavant as long as you hit all useable manifold pressure/rpm combonations).
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Can you explain more on this?
Sorry i'm a noob when it comes to dyno's.

So in theory you can use for example 3rd and dyno and as long as you cover all rpm it's just like street tuning?