Here's the situation.....

I got Ground Controls from my parents for Christmas this past December, and at the time I thought they were what I really wanted. (The Perfect Drop)(Good Performance) I was planning on getting Koni Yellows with the Ground Controls, I just wonder how the ride will be, because this is still my daily driver. I got the ERS springs in the following rates: 400f/300r. Paired with the Koni Yellows, is my ride comfort going to be okay??

People who have run Ground Controls or regular lowering springs, what do you think I should go with, like some H&R Sports and Koni Yellows, or keep the Ground Controls and Koni Yellows. I want to make the right decision the first time, and not have to sell these used for half of what I bought them for.

What will ride/perform better for my daily driver/weekend autocrosser twice a month? I want to know how you guys feel about these products? Are the Ground Controls any good, or are they crap?

Thanks in Advance,
Jon

 

You should keep them. Ground Controls are not crap. Since you Auto-X on the weekends, they should go great with the Koni Yellows. Set the Konis to full soft if you like (though at that setting they are a little too soft for my tastes) and the ride should not be uncomfortable.

The front rate on my Sportlines are 460 and the ride isn't harsh at all.

 

Thanks for the quick response Dozed. I had no idea that the rates on the Sportlines were that high. So you think for my application, the Ground Controls would be good. I have just been hearing everyone **** on sleeve type coilovers of late, but with the Koni adapters in there with the GC's they are really just one weld short of being pretty much true coilovers.

I was just worried about the ride on the street, but I guess with the Yellows turned all the way to soft, they would be alright? Anyone with experience with either of these two products your input would be greatly appreciated. Does the shorter spring on the GC's have any effect on the ride of the car? Will getting the Neuspeed Koni's help with the shorter spring and higher rates, even if I only lower the car like 1.5-1.7 inches?

I would like to hear what everyone else thinks on this subject?

Thanks in Advance,
Jon

 

I have ground controls paired with tokico illuminas. If I set the illuminas soft, then the ride is comfortable enough. No complaints. But I never drive with the illuminas on super soft anyway, it's no fun like that.

 

So you like your ground controls kellindal? What spring rates did you get, and how do they ride and perform. Do you find that the ground controls rattle and make noises when you drive, or are they pretty good.

Thanks for any input in advance,
Jon

 

ttt

 

Are you saying you already have koni yellows installed with your ground controls, or are you saying that you are getting the koni yellows? If you are switching to the yellows, then you need a new set of sleeves and springs because they are wider. I am about to do the same thing.

 

I thought it was just an adapter that you add to the GC's. Anyhow, GC is the only sleeve coilover I would ever recommend, and Koni Yellow shocks are the only shocks I would recommend putting them on. You're right, they're about as close as you can get to true coilovers.

Yes the Neuspeed Konis would be the best choice to use w/ GC's, but when I called Neuspeed a couple of weeks ago, they said they were backordered on the front Konis for Integras. You might want to check with them, though.


[Modified by PatrickGSR94, 8:51 AM 2/20/2002]

 

what do these neuspeed coilovers look like?i thought the hot setup was ground controlls with a KYB AGX's? and what do the adapters for the konis look like?

 

I've never actually seen the adapters for the Konis, but I know that it allows you to install the sleeves without using the Koni spring perches (looks alot cleaner). The Neuspeed Konis are modified Koni shocks, w/ 20mm shorter shaft, and extra slots for spring perch height (not needed obviously if you're using GC's). The Neuspeed website has pics of the Neuspeed/Koni coilovers, just click on catalog and open the Springs PDF document.

 

Come on, I know a lot of you guys have a lot to say about ground controls and other lowering springs. For a good ride and good performance with the perfect drop, should I keep my brand new Ground Controls or get some H&R Springs??

Thanks,
Jon

 

You should just get hydraulics, like me:



heehee (actually, those are stock GS-Rs ) No first-hand experience here, but what about you? Have you put them on yet? I've heard good things about GC's, you should just try 'em since you have 'em ...and you know everyone loves Konis

 

I have not put them on yet, I was waiting for spring and warmer weather to put my new spring/shock combo on, so maybe in a few weeks

The Ground Controls are sitting in my room, and between Christmas and now, I began doubing my choice on going with the GC's. I just want to know whether I would be better off staying with the GC's or selling them and buying some H&R Springs? I like the idea of getting the perfect drop that I want with the GC's, I just want to make sure they ride good, and don't make lots of noises and **** like that.

Just looking for some opinions on these products?

Thanks,
Jon

 

I can find out for you tonight if the sleeves are the same and just require an adapter to use w/ Koni shocks. If so, then I would say definetly keep them and get Konis. I was originally planning on going Koni/GC w/ 400f/300r spring rates myself.

 

I've had my GCs with tokico illuminas for over a year and a half now. No... they don't make noise. Yes... they ride fine.

 

I talked to Ground Control last week to see what it would cost me to get the koni's and some higher rate springs for autocross. They told me I would need new sleeves ,and the adapters, because they are wider. The "regular" rates that they sell have a good ride quality. I get a little bit of noise when it is really cold outside, but that goes away after a few minutes. I think GC's are some of the highest quality coilover's you can buy

 

Ckim,
What rates do you have? I don't know what the street rates are, but I don't think that mine are that much higher, so mine should ride just fine then right?

Patrick94GSR,
You said you were planning on getting the same rates that I have, was this going to be for everyday driving, if so then I guess my rates should be fine for the street.

Will getting the Neuspeed Koni's help with the higher spring rates that I have, or is the shorter valving just beneficial for lowering the car really far? I was only going to lower the car about 1.5-1.75 inches, so would the Neuspeed Koni's be worth my extra money right now?

Also, since when you buy the Koni's they have a lifetime warranty, will the ones sold by Neuspeed be able to be rebuilt a few years from now, even though they are of a little different design than the regular Koni Yellow's?

Thanks for all the help, I just want to do this right the first time around,
Jon

 

ttt

 

NO THEY SUCK REALLY BAD. . . . ILL TAKE EM OFF YOUR HANDS THOUGH

 

Uhh sure.... Jon, any increase in suspension travel you can get will be beneficial. If you can get the Neuspeed Konis, they're only about $35 more than the shipped price I paid for my regular Konis from Diablo Autosports. They also have extra slots for the spring perch.

 

well you really have to consider what size sidewall tire you will be using, as that has a major effect on stiffness of the suspension as well.

GC/Koni may be too harsh for you on a 17" rim and tire combo.
but I run GC/Koni with 15" wheel/tire combo and it is stiff as fawk but not harsh.
-->I love my Konis and GC's...!!!! <---

 

So what rates are you running owen, I know that you race your car alot, but your car is also your daily driver too right?

So you really love your GC's huh?

In that case I guess I will be keeping them, and buying some Neuspeed Koni's and an ITR rear sway bar with BSQ's kit.

Thanks a lot, any more opinions are welcome,
Jon

 

I will be running Si wheels with more than likely 205/50/15's of either the Ecsta Supra's, or the Azenis'

Can you run the Azenis in the STS class of SCCA, owen you would probably know?

Jon

 

yep you sure can. the Azenis treadwear is 200 I think, and you need 160 or more to stay in STS... the Azenis is the perfect tire for that class (STS) also.

I actually ran Sporlines on ITR shocks last year on my GSR sedan, what a good setup with a bit of negative camber in the rear only... and an ITR rear swaybar... but it is too soft in th erear for me, especially having a sedan it really shows when I am at the limits with the slicks on.
Since this winter I have been building up a 92 Civic CX hatchback.. I put in GC/Konis already with the off-the-shelf spring rates for integras... not sure what the rates are actually.. I always forget. But it is plenty stiff for my 2000 lb civic. I plan on getting even stiffer rates in the future, maybe in the summer after a few trackdays/schools andf I figure out what I really feel comfortable with. Then I will swap these off-the-shelf setup to the integra, which will be happily stiffer than the Sportlines, and I have some Koni's to go on the teg too, it'll be a mosnter this year... I say keep the GC's and Konis, they are a very very durable setup with a lot of adjustability for a not so high price... and very easily repaired/replaced/modified if you ever need them to be. pheeeeeeeeeeew

 

if you're going to mate GCs with koni yellow shocks, make sure you have the right coilovers. it's been a while, but i remember on my old instructions from GC that they made separate coilovers for koni schocks.