I haven't heard it any where else so I decided to let people know about this new update from SPC. Looks like it its gonna throw other choices out the window.

Enter 72160 in product number box.

http://www.specprod.com/PROD_D....HTML


Modified by MidShipCivic at 6:59 AM 7/29/2005

 

wow...looks like a good quality product , how much do they cost though??

 

I have had them for 6 months

 

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$300

 

what coilover is that?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by projectTeG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what coilover is that?</TD></TR></TABLE>

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1228707

 

are there anyone else using these pro-series A-arms?

Actually, anyone have more feedback regarding their rear EZ arm XR camber arm?

looking into purchasing camber adjustment pieces for front/rear... i know there's ingalls and skunk2... which my friends recommend skunk2... but these SPC ones also catch my eye as well.

I did a search already, there's not much info on HT on feedback for these...

inputs?

 

ive got their tubular upper control arms , i love them.



Modified by Hella_JDM at 2:56 PM 9/12/2005

 

Nice...

 

anyone know what the dimensions of the dc or eg/ek control arms are? basically, gap b/w the 2 anchor bolts, control arm length (from attachment point to end of arm), as well as ball joint stud radius?

 

bump for more information on these, ie reliability issues.

 

I saw those SPC arms and thought about buying them, but I found out they only have +/- 1.5 degrees of camber adjustment. This is fine if that's all you need, but I'd like up to - 3 degrees up front.

As a side issue, I doubt the big, thick aluminum uppers are much lighter than the stamped steel. They may be more rigid, but that arm is very small and i doubt it flexes anyways.

I know that SPC is a very reputable company, but I'm suspect of aluminum used in suspension components. If the wrong grade of aluminum is used, or the design is flawed the resulting component failure could cause a lot of damage to the car, or serious injury if it occurs on the street. Aluminum doesn't handle fatiue stress nearly as well as steel does.

Again, I've never heard of anything bad from SPC, but I would seriously reconsider using an aluminum piece where it 1.) offers little weight loss (as oposed to things like rear LCA's) 2.) The aluminum used isn't specified (unlike function-7 rear LCA's which are 7075 Al, I believe) 3.) offers little to nothing over the stamped steel design.

All this combined with a near-double price tag to omni/skunk designs with OEM proven strength and increased adjustability range.

At least that's my $.02, and again just to be clear, I'm not bad-mouthing SPC as they have some very fine, very functional products. I just feel that this particular product is not worth the price difference.

 

OK, I just read the SPC website (I had seen them elsewhere) and noticed that they have -2.5 to +3.5 degrees camber adjustment.

But where are they $300 a pair as mentioned above? The site says $540 a pair (!!!)

 

$369.95 from summit ::: click me

their older style is beefy and allows camber & caster
62010
just cant find the part # for the eg/dc

 

planning on running these on my car

always took me forever to find the arms on the spc site...but thanks for the summit link

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MidShipCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I haven't heard it any where else so I decided to let people know about this new update from SPC. Looks like it its gonna throw other choices out the window.

Enter 72160 in product number box.

http://www.specprod.com/PROD_D....HTML


Modified by MidShipCivic at 6:59 AM 7/29/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've had those on my daily driver/auto-x/HPDE car for 3 months now.

I haven't had issues with them slipping or anything, but I've made sure to torque the adjuster nut to the 120 ft-lbs specified in the instructions. I've also bottomed out the UCAs rather hard on a couple of occasions (hit the inner fender), and the supplied balljoint has held up without visual damage.

Caster adjustment is nice too. When I first installed them, I flipped the arms left to rght and ended up with +4* of caster with the offset balljoint maxed. Getting to -4* of camber with a relatively high ride height (6" at front side jack points, or 2 finger gap) isn't a problem either.

 

how low is your car to bottom out(or top out) the uca on the strut tower?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jvtec95 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I saw those SPC arms and thought about buying them, but I found out they only have +/- 1.5 degrees of camber adjustment. This is fine if that's all you need, but I'd like up to - 3 degrees up front.

As a side issue, I doubt the big, thick aluminum uppers are much lighter than the stamped steel. They may be more rigid, but that arm is very small and i doubt it flexes anyways.

I know that SPC is a very reputable company, but I'm suspect of aluminum used in suspension components. If the wrong grade of aluminum is used, or the design is flawed the resulting component failure could cause a lot of damage to the car, or serious injury if it occurs on the street. Aluminum doesn't handle fatiue stress nearly as well as steel does.

Again, I've never heard of anything bad from SPC, but I would seriously reconsider using an aluminum piece where it 1.) offers little weight loss (as oposed to things like rear LCA's) 2.) The aluminum used isn't specified (unlike function-7 rear LCA's which are 7075 Al, I believe) 3.) offers little to nothing over the stamped steel design.

All this combined with a near-double price tag to omni/skunk designs with OEM proven strength and increased adjustability range.

At least that's my $.02, and again just to be clear, I'm not bad-mouthing SPC as they have some very fine, very functional products. I just feel that this particular product is not worth the price difference. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I sold a set of these a few weeks ago. I was really impressed with the quality.



You guys know these are forged right? That makes the difference in performance and price you are not finding substantiated online. They are very light and very strong. Properly processed aluminum is every bit as strong as tubular steel, and considerably more rigid.

I understand you might be just playing devil's advocate, but aluminum is used in suspension members all over the place. I think we should question SPC's ability to make suspension arms about as much as we should question Ray's ability to produce a wheel.

 

Why pay for a product that does the same exact thing with no advantages to the other product?

 

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How about, exploring the depths of product development, design, and variety?

Besides, you are wrong in thinking there are no advantages. Maybe not every aspect holds an advantage, and some might be hard to see. But the arms do carry advantages.

 

I'm glad this subject has come up again.

I admit, after my rant on the pro's and con's I did a little more research and decided to buy the SPC arms. I will admit I was wrong to judge these without seeing them in person and am wholly impressed with the SPC arms.

I bought a set of skunk2's and a set of SPC's and compared them side-by-side. I am now running the SPC arms, they are a tad heavier (I wish I had access to a highly accurate scale while comparing) But I believe they are far more rigid than the skunk2 arms. I've heard of people auto-xing on them with no problems, so they must be of a strong grade of aluminum. I was drawn into the fact that they are camber and caster adjustable, and they cost $350 shipped from Summit.

The one complaint I do have is that because the camber and caster adjustment are are partially combined (those who have them will know what I mean) I do not think you can get the maximum camber adjustment AND the maximum caster adjustment at the same time. The advertised range is -2.5 to +3.5 on camber, and +/- 1.25 degrees caster. Because of the cam design of the ball joint, I don't think you can get 1.25 degrees of caster AND the maximum -2.5 degrees camber.

I set mine to achieve maximum positive caster, and set it at maximum camber just to see the range, and I highly doubt I am at an additional -2.5 degrees. Aside from this one very minor detail, I am thoroughly impressed with the quality of the SPC arms.

When I feel I'm wrong, I will gladly admit so, although I must say I would never have bought these if they were $540 i originally saw them for. Thanks for all the great discussion!

 

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I've had those on my daily driver/auto-x/HPDE car for 3 months now.

I haven't had issues with them slipping or anything, but I've made sure to torque the adjuster nut to the 120 ft-lbs specified in the instructions. I've also bottomed out the UCAs rather hard on a couple of occasions (hit the inner fender), and the supplied balljoint has held up without visual damage.
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Please, more reliability info. I was thinking of running these on my rally car. The stock arms are holding up, but have no-adj. and are rubber mounted. These SPC arms are rubber mounts also? A high quality forging can be very strong.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MrHeeltoe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How about, exploring the depths of product development, design, and variety?

Besides, you are wrong in thinking there are no advantages. Maybe not every aspect holds an advantage, and some might be hard to see. But the arms do carry advantages.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Now really, do you think these "advantages" are worth the additional $180.00 difference? I honestly don't see any advantage with those except they are prettier. It's a different design but really they do the same thing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dvp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now really, do you think these "advantages" are worth the additional $180.00 difference? I honestly don't see any advantage with those except they are prettier. It's a different design but really they do the same thing. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Beacuse, without companies making new parts with different processes, and people buying and using them, how are we supposed to advance our sport? I honestly think one of the major things holding back the Honda community is the unwillingness of people to spend a little more money for parts that might actually be better than other stuff.

Don't you think we are all a little better off knowing the REAL differences in parts? Just because they do the same thing does not mean they are going about it the same way.

Hey man, nobody said YOU had to be an innovator, or even buy into the idea of innovation, engineering, or product improvement. But just because you are not interested in giving it a shot does not mean it is not worth doing.

Marcus

 

But those arms aren't "better", their just more expensive. If someone want's to spend the extra cash on those, I could care less, go for it. You want them, pay for them....but they don't and are not any better as far as I can tell from Skunk2's or even the Omni's.

I'm all for innovation but how about on things that don't already have 3-4 different designs already. Unless the newly designed part is actually better. I don't see it in these arms.

Their nice looking arms, I personally wouldn't buy them unless they really were "better". If they are better, the manufacturer should state why they are better.