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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 05:44 PM
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i have a major ginding problem going into 5th gear. and on top of that, sometimes tis a struggle getting it out of 5th.
ive read on here several times the alot of people use gm syncromesh for grinding.
but i thought syncromesh was an additive.
well how do yall use it? just fill it up with syncromesh?
where do you add it? in the clutch resivoir?
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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 05:47 PM
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I don't know about it being an additive.....but I just drained my tranny fluid and replaced it with "syncomesh" gm type
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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 05:49 PM
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when you add'd the syncromesh, where did you add it? and i forgot to ask how much do i need to buy?
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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 05:52 PM
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There are two types of synchromesh. There is synchromesh, and synchromesh friction modified. The FM you can get at the GM dealer, and I beleive Chrysler may sell an additive to the regular fluid. The regular synchromesh is comparable to Honda MTF and the Penzoil type (available at parts stores). You need the FM if you're getting a grinding problem.

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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 06:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by graveltravel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when you add'd the syncromesh, where did you add it? and i forgot to ask how much do i need to buy?</TD></TR></TABLE>

drain the tranny oil through the drain plug on your trans and refill with 2 quarts of new stuff. I used Pennzoil (GM syncromesh equivalent). On my B series S1, it cured the dreaded 3rd gear grind.
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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 06:27 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr. B in Az &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

drain the tranny oil through the drain plug on your trans and refill with 2 quarts of new stuff. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i used GM syncromesh and it worked like a charm. and as stated above you need 2 quarts. and you can get it at the crylser *sp* dealership
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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 06:34 PM
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1.9 qts for d and 2.5 qts for b series. I got the pennzoil from autozone and it was a lot cheaper than the chevrolet dealer
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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 06:34 PM
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where do you fill it up at? the clutch resivoir?
where exactly is the drain plug at?
sorry, im a wetodd!
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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 06:40 PM
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here check out this post https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=382416 it tells you exactly how to change your tranny fluid
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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 07:08 PM
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thanks kista! thats what i needed to know!
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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 07:37 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kista20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here check out this post https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=382416 it tells you exactly how to change your tranny fluid </TD></TR></TABLE>

glad to see someone help out a fellow HT'er with a link and not just telling them to search.
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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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wow that thread is an awesome write up. would never think to fill it through the speed sensor. i also to have the 3rd gear grind and cant wait to change the fluid with the synchromesh. is that penzoil stuff from autozone the same as the friction material from gm? and how much is the price difference?
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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 07:47 PM
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well , for the gm syncromesh its about 15.00+ a quart. its not cheap by no means.
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Old Jul 29, 2005 | 05:15 AM
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the pennzoil is the same as the regular gm snynchromesh, not the friction modified. I used to use honda mtf but sometimes it would shift harder, not too hard but it didn't slide in that I would've liked for it too. I put in the pennzoil snchromesh and it takes a little while but then it shifts really smooth now. When I changed mine I didn't know about the vss trick but I had a tube that fit through the vent hole and I used that but of course it did take a lot longer. Honda missed it on the drain fill, it's so hard to get a funnel with a long tube to reach in there and I can't really see it but there's something inside the hole that keeps you from putting the tube in too far and it's always backing out f... all that crap, vss is the wtg for me
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Old Jul 29, 2005 | 05:30 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kista20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the pennzoil is the same as the regular gm snynchromesh, not the friction modified. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct. The penzoil and regular synchromesh are less than $5; the FM is around $15 per quart.

I've used both Honda MTF and Penzoil Synchromesh (changing every 15K) and have found no real difference between the two.

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Old Jul 29, 2005 | 06:12 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by graveltravel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well , for the gm syncromesh its about 15.00+ a quart. its not cheap by no means.</TD></TR></TABLE>

AMSOIL just came out with a full synthetic syncromesh that's about $7.00 /qt

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1277289
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Old Aug 1, 2005 | 11:21 PM
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i only grind third when at high rpms and every other shift is smooth as hell. i will pay the 15$ a qt if it does the trick. but if the 7 or 8$ a qt penzoil stuff does the same **** then ill go with that. what can i say, im a broke college student... racer
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Old Aug 1, 2005 | 11:25 PM
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i ment will that 7$ a qt do the same as the friction modified fluid from gm?
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Old Aug 1, 2005 | 11:46 PM
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i gotta grinding problem too, but only when i shift DOWN to 2nd and 1st would this sutff help ? and do i need regular synchromesh or synchromesh FM?
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 05:02 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thirdeyevision &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i ment will that 7$ a qt do the same as the friction modified fluid from gm?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, they are different formulas. Some people do say that the grind goes away with the regular fluid, but I'm assuming that's just because they were in serious need of a fluid change. If the fluid is old, and not working properly, it can give hard shifts, and I'm asuming it may be possible to cause a grind if it's bad enough; but like I said, that's just speculation.

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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 05:19 AM
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 05:48 AM
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lol
so true so true...
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 07:11 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by graveltravel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well , for the gm syncromesh its about 15.00+ a quart. its not cheap by no means.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Its call "Matrix" markup at certain dealership. MSRP is half of that.
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 05:07 PM
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if you don't have lsd than regular synchromesh is just fine. If you have lsd I would get the fm. The pennzoil is quite a bit cheaper than the gm brand although I don't remember what I paid for mine but I did buy it at autozone.
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 05:33 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Scrapin4DR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i gotta grinding problem too, but only when i shift DOWN to 2nd and 1st would this sutff help ? and do i need regular synchromesh or synchromesh FM? </TD></TR></TABLE>
uuuummmm do your tranny a favor and don't downshift into first.
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