For people with ZC trans and no Int. shaft. @@@LOOK HERE@@@
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For people with ZC trans and no Int. shaft. @@@LOOK HERE@@@
http://www.thezcr.com/forums/s...10858
The Dilemma of how to get a Int. shaft without the Wait and searching that can lead nowhere, and of all the misinformation floating around.
Only ZC intermediate shafts work. No others...period.
until now.........
you mix and match 2 different int. shafts to make one that will fit.
1) get a 86-89 Integra halfshaft.
2) Pull the mount off of it, leaving you with just a shaft.
3) Get a Civic AWD 1.6L wagon Halfshaft
4) Seperate the mount from it and the shaft
5) Put the AWD wagon Mount on the 86-89 shaft
6) there you have it..A ZC halfshaft that works and causes no problems.
7) And yes the 88-91 Civic Wagon AWD 1.6L only axles will work with the ZC tranny and are a perfect fit.
Now with this being here nobody should have to bitch about not being able to find a halfshaft or not know what fits.
Either you find a true ZC int. shaft or you make one. those are your only 2 options available to you.
The 86-89 Integra halfshaft fits the Transmission but mount does not line up on ZC block.
The 88-91 Civic Wagon AWD 1.6L Halfshaft mount works but the splines on the transmission are a hair small.
So you see by combining the 2 you get a real ZC intermediate shaft.
Cheers,
Steve
The Dilemma of how to get a Int. shaft without the Wait and searching that can lead nowhere, and of all the misinformation floating around.
Only ZC intermediate shafts work. No others...period.
until now.........
you mix and match 2 different int. shafts to make one that will fit.
1) get a 86-89 Integra halfshaft.
2) Pull the mount off of it, leaving you with just a shaft.
3) Get a Civic AWD 1.6L wagon Halfshaft
4) Seperate the mount from it and the shaft
5) Put the AWD wagon Mount on the 86-89 shaft
6) there you have it..A ZC halfshaft that works and causes no problems.
7) And yes the 88-91 Civic Wagon AWD 1.6L only axles will work with the ZC tranny and are a perfect fit.
Now with this being here nobody should have to bitch about not being able to find a halfshaft or not know what fits.
Either you find a true ZC int. shaft or you make one. those are your only 2 options available to you.
The 86-89 Integra halfshaft fits the Transmission but mount does not line up on ZC block.
The 88-91 Civic Wagon AWD 1.6L Halfshaft mount works but the splines on the transmission are a hair small.
So you see by combining the 2 you get a real ZC intermediate shaft.
Cheers,
Steve
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Re: For people with ZC trans and no Int. shaft. @@@LOOK HERE@@@ (N_A_is_best)
awesome info. now if I could figure out a way to get a halfshaft to work with a si tranny on a d16 block I would be golden.
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like i was saying since day 1, you can run B series pass side inner joints on both stock EF axles and u dont have to worry about a shaft at all...
its easy and simple doesnt get easier then that..
like i was saying since day 1, you can run B series pass side inner joints on both stock EF axles and u dont have to worry about a shaft at all...
its easy and simple doesnt get easier then that..
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Re: (Nerologic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nerologic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OR
like i was saying since day 1, you can run B series pass side inner joints on both stock EF axles and u dont have to worry about a shaft at all...
its easy and simple doesnt get easier then that..</TD></TR></TABLE>
Have you personally tried that? If so pics would be nice.
But it is my understanding that the bearings on B-series axles are differnt than D-series Hence not being able to use the Cups.
like i was saying since day 1, you can run B series pass side inner joints on both stock EF axles and u dont have to worry about a shaft at all...
its easy and simple doesnt get easier then that..</TD></TR></TABLE>
Have you personally tried that? If so pics would be nice.
But it is my understanding that the bearings on B-series axles are differnt than D-series Hence not being able to use the Cups.
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Yeah, the info is correct. But go and try to find all the parts with less time than spending $75 and having Hmotorsonline.com ship you 1 in 5-7 business days. Also, Nerologic is correct, I forgot about that. You just wont have the int. shaft, so you will still be peg-legged. But you will still have the ZC gear ratios. 
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Re: (Kryogen)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kryogen »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Have you personally tried that? If so pics would be nice.
But it is my understanding that the bearings on B-series axles are differnt than D-series Hence not being able to use the Cups.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah its tried and tested, i did this setup over 3 years ago (when i was ZC), so sorry to disapoint theres no way i can show pics of this setup..
i realized this when i was at the junk yard. I took apart the integ axle and swapped the joint with an EF axle that was laying around and it was a match, so i just bought 2 inners took them home and swapped them out
Have you personally tried that? If so pics would be nice.
But it is my understanding that the bearings on B-series axles are differnt than D-series Hence not being able to use the Cups.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah its tried and tested, i did this setup over 3 years ago (when i was ZC), so sorry to disapoint theres no way i can show pics of this setup..
i realized this when i was at the junk yard. I took apart the integ axle and swapped the joint with an EF axle that was laying around and it was a match, so i just bought 2 inners took them home and swapped them out
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DOHCZCCRXSi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, the info is correct. But go and try to find all the parts with less time than spending $75 and having Hmotorsonline.com ship you 1 in 5-7 business days. Also, Nerologic is correct, I forgot about that. You just wont have the int. shaft, so you will still be peg-legged. But you will still have the ZC gear ratios. </TD></TR></TABLE>
yes but for $30 in junkyard parts to make your own is nice.
plus its not like theres an infinite supply of Original ZC shafts, actually there are very, very few, so they will not be around long.
I was posting this to give an option, so people dont have to hunt a original down, or swap differentials out, or just get rid of the ZC tranny.
</TD></TR></TABLE>yes but for $30 in junkyard parts to make your own is nice.
plus its not like theres an infinite supply of Original ZC shafts, actually there are very, very few, so they will not be around long.
I was posting this to give an option, so people dont have to hunt a original down, or swap differentials out, or just get rid of the ZC tranny.
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Re: (Nerologic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nerologic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OR
like i was saying since day 1, you can run B series pass side inner joints on both stock EF axles and u dont have to worry about a shaft at all...
its easy and simple doesnt get easier then that..</TD></TR></TABLE>
when i had a d15b in my dx, a shop i took it to used 86-89 accord inner joints with my stock axles for a zc lsd transmission... i didn't think it would work but he said he has done it before....however, i never got to drive it because he said the zc tranny was grinding and i wouldnt be happy with it...so i cant confirm using different inner joints
like i was saying since day 1, you can run B series pass side inner joints on both stock EF axles and u dont have to worry about a shaft at all...
its easy and simple doesnt get easier then that..</TD></TR></TABLE>
when i had a d15b in my dx, a shop i took it to used 86-89 accord inner joints with my stock axles for a zc lsd transmission... i didn't think it would work but he said he has done it before....however, i never got to drive it because he said the zc tranny was grinding and i wouldnt be happy with it...so i cant confirm using different inner joints
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Re: (guam4door)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vegaskurt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">awesome info. now if I could figure out a way to get a halfshaft to work with a si tranny on a d16 block I would be golden.</TD></TR></TABLE>
1. Remove Si tranny.
2. Swap ZC differential into Si transmission. If possible, swap Si final drive ring gear onto ZC diff, to get rid of the shitty 3.88 ZC final.
3. Reinstall transmission.
4. Install ZC (or "home-made hybrid") intermediate shaft. Your D16A6 should already have the threaded bosses for the outer mount bracket.
5. Drive and enjoy the absence of torque steer.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DOHCZCCRXSi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, the info is correct. But go and try to find all the parts with less time than spending $75 and having Hmotorsonline.com ship you 1 in 5-7 business days.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Bingo. I rummage through a lot of junkyards, from Austin to Dallas/Fort Worth, down to San Antonio, and east to Houston, and I've found ONE Civic AWD Wagon transmission with its intermediate shaft. We had it on our "Wish List" because we wanted to see if the mid-shaft would work as a ZC-shaft substitute, and we wanted to have a look at the Wagon's 4.41 final drive ratio to see if we could utilize that as well.
It's great that there are options, but there were probably about 10X more ZCs out there in the rest of the world than there were AWD Civic Wagons in the US - and most of those damned wagons are still running! You can't pry people out of them, they love 'em so much!
If I need a ZC intermediate shaft, I think I'll just hit up an importer. If they become simply non-existent, THEN I might start thinking about making my own...
Still, though, thanks for providing the info, Kryogen. For those with the time and patience to search the parts out, it could be worthwhile.
Oh, and allegedly you can still buy the Wagon shaft brand new from Honda for $170 or so, so if worse comes to worst, there's at least SOME way to get yourself an intermediate shaft!
Mike
1. Remove Si tranny.
2. Swap ZC differential into Si transmission. If possible, swap Si final drive ring gear onto ZC diff, to get rid of the shitty 3.88 ZC final.
3. Reinstall transmission.
4. Install ZC (or "home-made hybrid") intermediate shaft. Your D16A6 should already have the threaded bosses for the outer mount bracket.
5. Drive and enjoy the absence of torque steer.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DOHCZCCRXSi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, the info is correct. But go and try to find all the parts with less time than spending $75 and having Hmotorsonline.com ship you 1 in 5-7 business days.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Bingo. I rummage through a lot of junkyards, from Austin to Dallas/Fort Worth, down to San Antonio, and east to Houston, and I've found ONE Civic AWD Wagon transmission with its intermediate shaft. We had it on our "Wish List" because we wanted to see if the mid-shaft would work as a ZC-shaft substitute, and we wanted to have a look at the Wagon's 4.41 final drive ratio to see if we could utilize that as well.
It's great that there are options, but there were probably about 10X more ZCs out there in the rest of the world than there were AWD Civic Wagons in the US - and most of those damned wagons are still running! You can't pry people out of them, they love 'em so much!
If I need a ZC intermediate shaft, I think I'll just hit up an importer. If they become simply non-existent, THEN I might start thinking about making my own...Still, though, thanks for providing the info, Kryogen. For those with the time and patience to search the parts out, it could be worthwhile.
Oh, and allegedly you can still buy the Wagon shaft brand new from Honda for $170 or so, so if worse comes to worst, there's at least SOME way to get yourself an intermediate shaft!
Mike
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Damn, I'm jumpy today... Testy, too...
Guess I should've READ THE WHOLE POST over on the ZCR before telling people they can get the Wagon shaft at the dealership. Looks like it's on national backorder, so those won't be in stock anytime soon.
And I'm not downing the whole hybrid halfshaft idea; I know it sounds like I am, but I'm not. I'm just in kind of a shitty mood, I guess.
If people can put their heads together and figure out OPTIONS for having to track down a ZC shaft, then it's helpful info to have. Apparently, ZC intermediate shafts aren't nearly as common as they used to be.
Kudos for those who did the research and took the time and effort to experiment with this stuff!
Mike
Guess I should've READ THE WHOLE POST over on the ZCR before telling people they can get the Wagon shaft at the dealership. Looks like it's on national backorder, so those won't be in stock anytime soon.
And I'm not downing the whole hybrid halfshaft idea; I know it sounds like I am, but I'm not. I'm just in kind of a shitty mood, I guess.
If people can put their heads together and figure out OPTIONS for having to track down a ZC shaft, then it's helpful info to have. Apparently, ZC intermediate shafts aren't nearly as common as they used to be.
Kudos for those who did the research and took the time and effort to experiment with this stuff!
Mike
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