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Old Jul 22, 2005 | 08:25 PM
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anyone run kuns kustom chassis spindle mount kit on a crx. We have noticed after we installed the kit and set up the rear suspension and centered the weld wheels the coil-over would sit at a angle not straight up and down putting strain on the top pillar mount and piston sleeve of the strut not good. so after long discussion and reajusting the suspension we gave up. to fix the problem we thought we would have to cut off the bracket where the base of the stut sits and move it futher around the straight axle in order to have the stut sit straight up and down. this was not an option because the owner of the car just spent $2400.00 and was not going to butcher it up. then a couple of days later we looked into QA1 coil-overs they come with himes joints and they look like would work. just need to make custom brackets in the wheel well. I need some feed back from all you hot rod guys with have incountered this problem any advice will be great.
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Old Jul 23, 2005 | 06:58 PM
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I've got the same basic issue with the kens axle in my CRX with Penske rear shocks... the shocks sit very crooked in relation to the axle... or where they -should- sit. What im going to have to do, is make a new bracket for it or something. I talked to kerry at Kens about it a while back, and i sent him pics, but i dont think anything came of it.

Even in another customers EG coupe, it still didn't fit right. In that one, he is running some Strange Shocks (universal) remounted the lower shock in single-shear mode with the supplied brackets doubled up on each other to set the bottoms in closer to the center of the car. kinda hard to describe, but it seems to work.

I'l. take some pics of mine on Monday if you want to see how crooked they are...
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Old Jul 24, 2005 | 10:16 PM
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damn and I was about to order one of these!

oh well guess it's back to paying someone local to build it on the car...
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Old Jul 25, 2005 | 05:24 AM
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The MB rear axle that sindicate ran on their car last year was the same way, the shock mounts on the axle weren't in line with the uppers, and put the shocks in a bind.

I don't think mounting them in single shear is a very good idea...
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Old Jul 25, 2005 | 05:49 AM
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Oh, i agree about the single shear... i was more referring to moving the shock inward 'working'.... you can always fab up a tab to come off the bar, and provide inner support. I've got some meetings this morning, but later today i'll get the pics of my bar as it sits... i'm going to be changing it up quite a bit.
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Old Jul 25, 2005 | 11:31 AM
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Please do since I was also looking into this setup.

Also, could you point where, on this image, you're having issues with?

Sorry for the HUGE image




Thanks,
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Old Jul 26, 2005 | 09:41 PM
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I can get pictures of this problem up tommorow its kinda wierd how this set up works. We have decided to buy the QA1 schocks and custom fab some upper mounts to the original wheel well. the QA1 shocks come with himes joints so that will fix the problem with stress on the shock. The shock will still sit at a slight angle but the way it sits might help make the car hook better.
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Old Jul 27, 2005 | 05:40 AM
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Steve: It appears from your pics that you are mounting the L-brackets upside-down... with that long-bodied shock, it'd never come close to mounting to the stock upper strut point without the car being jacked way up high. Is that setup for a tube-framed car?

Anyway, here are some pics of my car with the axle in place, and at what i am considering 'full droop', so the axle -still- needs to go higher in the chassis (binding things even more than pictured). The shocks are close to bottoming out at the current setting/mounting point at droop, so i have to lower the mount point even more on the axle to move the shock body down, which will more than likely mean an all-new bracket, because i have already cut as much of the stock one away as i want to for safety reasons. If you look at the second pic, and compare your pic versus my pic, you'll see the section of the bracket that i had to cut just so that the shock would fit in without hitting the axle bracket.

It doesn't "look bad", but believe me, when you see how much angle it has in real life, it is easy to see why i won't run it like this. I think the Kens axle is a great product, and i sell them, and will continue to.. it is a racing product, and most racing products still require fabrication and 'working' to get to fit and function right. I didn't expect this to be a bolt-in because of that.... i just wish that it fit the CRX a bit better than it does from the get-go.. LoL.










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Old Jul 27, 2005 | 05:58 AM
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That pic is actually from Ken's site, I have yet to purchase this setup.

When you make a new bracket, will you try to get the shock more upright or will you continue to have it at a slight angle?


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Old Jul 27, 2005 | 06:38 AM
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Well, i'm going to try to get it as straight as possible... it isn't a "slight angle" currently, its a BIG angle (imo).

I'll be making a new lower mounting point that not only moves the shock closer to the axle (it has a little under 2" of clearance to move), and i'll be mounting the new perch a bit closer to towards the middle of the car to straighten them out that way as well. We'll see how it goes though.
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Old Jul 27, 2005 | 07:16 AM
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I agree, it is pretty severe.

What kind of brake set up did your axle come with or did you upgrade it? It looks like a drum style or something.


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Old Jul 27, 2005 | 07:58 AM
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MB setup:

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Old Jul 27, 2005 | 11:56 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k-series &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What kind of brake set up did your axle come with or did you upgrade it? It looks like a drum style or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not quite sure where you are seeing drums.. lol... it has the Strange single-piston calipers on it, and uses the Strange disk that attaches to the wheel... i just don't have the disk installed in those pics.... this was taken back when i first put it on the car a loooooong time ago. Those are the same pics i sent to Kens Kustom for them to see what i saw.
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Old Jul 27, 2005 | 12:03 PM
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Default Re: coilover kit for kens kustom straight axle for hot rod car (ComposiMo)

Since there were no discs, I was thinking maybe the piston pressed on the wheel or something...lol. Didnt think that the rotor was missing. My bad....

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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 12:04 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ComposiMo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

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Do you change the position of the bracket for different vehicle types, cause the first picture is in a different spot than the second picture? just my $.02
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 01:31 PM
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With a shock of the length they are showing in the second pic there, or the length of the one i run in the back of my car, the bracket location in the second pic would only work if the car was setup like a 4x4, or if you were not using the stock upper shock mounts (which is required in Hot Rod/Pro4 afaik... a/m could back-half i guess).

With the bracket the way it is in that first pic, and the car at ride-height, the shock only has about 1.5" of bound travel remaining... not much when you consider the shock is supposed to ride in a setup giving it about 4" of available bound movement. So i still need to lower the mount, so that the shock sits farther away from the upper mounting point.
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 02:39 PM
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Default Re: coilover kit for kens kustom straight axle for hot rod car (ComposiMo)

The second pic is a straight axle for a VW Jetta which has a long shock
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 02:48 PM
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Default Re: coilover kit for kens kustom straight axle for hot rod car (ComposiMo)

Why do you have that spring on that bitchin shock?

Please call me
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 02:49 PM
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Well theres your answer from the man himself... hehe
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 02:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecvoodoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why do you have that spring on that bitchin shock?
Please call me</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have noooo idea.... it was there at the time.. LoL. PM me your number... you know i need a muuuuuuuch lighter deal than that in the rear, and i also need some springs for the front
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