Through my searches I found that people say skunk2 stage 2 cams loose mid range power and gain a bunch of top end but my question is, does it really loose mid range or just doesn't gain mid range power?

I've tried to search for dynos but couldn't find anything for a basic set up: example
b18c
i/h/e
skunk2 stage 2 cams
stock compression (higher is better of course)


Thanks

 

man, i noticed the same thing with the skunk stg 1's in my old setup. I had a b16, aebs mannifold and the skunk stg 1's. It murdered my bottom end but it really picked up my top end. It might have helped if i had tuned them also.

 

yeah, i just did a baseline run with my stage 2's zeroed out and compared my graph with my friends mildly built and tuned ls/vtec....his *** owned my midrange by a lot-but i did have more top end...however, probably could have done a lot better tuned.

 

Tuning is key when switching to a performance cam. Almost all power losses can be fixed with proper tuning.

 

If you try to run those cams on stock compression levels then its going to cause a loss. Thats just all there is to it. The dynamic compression WILL be too low.

 

It seems to be that compression and tuning are the main issues with the skunk2 II's. Thanks for the info

 

With any performance cams, tuning should be a given.

 

toda B's for mid range power

 

junk 2 and midrange don't belong in the same sentence. You will lose midrange with those cams. Its always been the case. I don't think I have seen anyone that gain any power/torque in the midrange section of the graph using skunk 2 cams or intake manifold. If someone has a graph that shows this, please post it!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chillinit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">junk 2 and midrange don't belong in the same sentence. You will lose midrange with those cams. Its always been the case. I don't think I have seen anyone that gain any power/torque in the midrange section of the graph using skunk 2 cams or intake manifold. If someone has a graph that shows this, please post it!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Kind of a narrow-minded statement, don't you think?

What about the Pro 1+ cams? I'm pretty sure they make killer midrange.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D-Rob &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Kind of a narrow-minded statement, don't you think?

What about the Pro 1+ cams? I'm pretty sure they make killer midrange.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not narrow minded considering the Pro 1's are a brand new cam and their design intent on these cams differ from their previous selection. It took another company other then skunk 2, to put forth that power is not always determined by the amount of lift a cam has. *cough cough*...dur-a-tion?

I'm currently running BC3+'s and I have to say, I love the midrange on these babies. If you want a great street cam which will give you a nice midrange, you should consider running BC3+'s.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PURPLETERROR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tuning is key when switching to a performance cam. Almost all power losses can be fixed with proper tuning.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes!


Also, the Skunk2 stage2 cams require a higher compression, atleast 11:1.

 

Chillinit, Having dynoed the BC3+, BC4's Pro1's, M22x, and m24XX I would say you are wrong. When you dyno all of them get back to me.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chillinit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">junk 2 and midrange don't belong in the same sentence. You will lose midrange with those cams. Its always been the case. I don't think I have seen anyone that gain any power/torque in the midrange section of the graph using skunk 2 cams or intake manifold. If someone has a graph that shows this, please post it!</TD></TR></TABLE>

her you go

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GUILOTINE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dyno'd his car a couple weeks back at Church automotive and the results where pleasant to say the least. heres the setup...
Long Block:
'00 SI B16A2
CTR PCT pistoins w/ honda rings std. bore (81mm)
ARP rod Bolts
ARP head studs
OEM head gasket, used 1 piece
Comptech Machine Street port w/ full radius valve job
ITR intake Valves
Portflow springs and retainers
Skunk Stage 2 cams and gears
ITR Intake manifold ported by Comptech Machine
ITR throttle body
MemoryFab J's style CarbonFiber Intake
Toda header
STr fuel rail
RC 310cc Injectors
CTR N-1 crank Pulley
Transmission
'00 SI
Kazz LSD
CTR flywheel
ACT Xtreme pressure plate
Clutch Net 6 puck sprung disc
all tuned with a Hondata Stage 3

</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

i dyno'd 197 whp and 131 whtq....stage 2's are a decent midrange excellent high end cam...nice balanced cam.

with a flat flat torque curve.

stock 10.6 compression. i/h/e. mugen headgaskest..stock headcasting. stock block. kenji/vafc.

anyone want the dyno PM me.


Modified by Y2K Si FBP at 6:03 PM 7/23/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Eg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you try to run those cams on stock compression levels then its going to cause a loss. Thats just all there is to it. The dynamic compression WILL be too low.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Agreed. 10.8 is NOT enough to run these cams, come on man..............you didn't expect to really gain mid range power did you??

*EDIT* I'm gonna assume that you're running the stock gsr ecu...how can expect vtec to engage with that low of compression at 4,500 on a vtec lobe that is enormous and NOT lose mid range!?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lopaka07 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Through my searches I found that people say skunk2 stage 2 cams loose mid range power and gain a bunch of top end but my question is, does it really loose mid range or just doesn't gain mid range power?

I've tried to search for dynos but couldn't find anything for a basic set up: example
b18c
i/h/e
skunk2 stage 2 cams
stock compression (higher is better of course)


Thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>

Where is your vtec engagement point at ?
Set it atleast at 5600-5800 rpms....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Agreed. 10.8 is NOT enough to run these cams, come on man..............you didn't expect to really gain mid range power did you??

*EDIT* I'm gonna assume that you're running the stock gsr ecu...how can expect vtec to engage with that low of compression at 4,500 on a vtec lobe that is enormous and NOT lose mid range!?</TD></TR></TABLE>


He said B18C with stock compression. Last I checked that would be 10.6:1 at the highest assuming he is reffering to the JDM engine. Again, I don't feel this is high enough for a cam with that much durration, but hey, what do I know?