My crx need trailing arm bushings that need replacement but I would like to get feed back.Should I replace them oe or others ? thanks for the help gents

 

I'm in the same boat. Since I work at the dealership, I know you can't get just the bushing. I'm looking into getting spherical bearings, but I'm trying to find out where I can get some that are daily driveable (teflon coated). I've found some on JHP.com but I would like other peoples input on it.

 

Im thinking about using inserts but Im not to sure about them. spherical bearing are to harsh a daily driver but if they are the best why not I think mugen make a set but I have no info on them

 

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You can get just the bushing alone without the entire arm, it just isn't listed in the Honda parts microfiche. I got mine for my '89 about three years or so ago once I found the right part number. Problem is... have misplaced that number which I was trying to save for future reference. Do a search as it is available here and I think may have been posted as recently as several months ago. For a primarily street driven car, I definately think fresh rubber is the best option. Mugen does make a rubber replacement unit that I have used as well that is reported to be 25% firmer.

I have not used sphericals for the trailing arm but did some research awhile back and the reports that there was a lot of problem because the trailing arm needs to be able to have some side to side motion along the shaft that it rides on. At least at the time that I was looking, no sphericals could do that. Maybe someone has developed one that will by now but it should be investigated.

 

About the spherical bearing trailing arm bushing. i already seen a company HARDRACE that does have that. Not just for racing, they produced for racing but also good for day to day drive, because their spherical bearing has a layer of rubber.
Someone in the forum did get their products. Hardrace also have harden rubber bushings, thier design is more solid than the Mugen one.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1231942

http://www.hardrace.com

 

listen to crk lee

he knows what he is saying, spearical bearings do not allow side to side movement,

Do not go with energy suspension, they are ****, they make you reuse the oem pins and they rust causing problems, either go with prothane or oem and yes oem is available seperate.

here
http://www.performanceforum.co....html

 

Be sure to measure the bushings that you have and compare it to the dimensions listed on the "performanceforum" page (linked to in the prior post)!!

The reason is that when dealing with older cars, it possible that somebody has swapped the arms around and may not be original.

Wes

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by superdupervtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">listen to crk lee

he knows what he is saying, spearical bearings do not allow side to side movement,

Do not go with energy suspension, they are ****, they make you reuse the oem pins and they rust causing problems, either go with prothane or oem and yes oem is available seperate.

here
http://www.performanceforum.co....html</TD></TR></TABLE>


i guess you have not seen Hardrace products.....their pillow ball trailing arm does allow side to side movement. You can ask hayabusa160, he does have a set of pillow ball bushings.
Why does the trailing arm bushing need to have side to side motion?

 

I never engineered the car, I just know it has to.

This is what prothane has to say

Months of engineering and race track testing have gone into this unique, full floating bushing which is designed specifically for Civic and CRX rear trailing arms. The technology allows the polyurethane to become physically bonded to the outer shell while permitting the center shaft to rotate freely like a journal bearing. "Our bonding technology allows us to design a whole new range of performance and replacement bushings that just were not possible before." Say's Rick Sadler, PROTHANE's National Sales Manager. This technique captivates the urethane and allows restrictive flow under load while providing a stable ride. A must for any Honda that'slowered or raced. The bushing comes pre lubricated with a specially tapered shell for easy installation. The mounting holes are oval which permits adjustments for alignment angles and chassis tuning.

Full floating center shaft
Bonded Polyurethane technology
Tapered shell
Pre lubricated for extended service
Adjustable mounting holes
Saves money and time


They are advertising that it has a full floating center shaft, so there must be a reason.

 

I have seen that product before.....their products just a poly with a central pin.
IT is because the poly material is very special, it can not seal with meal. Not like rubber, it can seal with rubber just like bushings. As a result, it gives more strength to the whole structure. Prothane they just designed a central pin to do the replacement. They are just like energy suspension.
I guess these information you got it from their websites just talks, does not mean anything.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chulun &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have seen that product before.....their products just a poly with a central pin.
IT is because the poly material is very special, it can not seal with meal. Not like rubber, it can seal with rubber just like bushings. As a result, it gives more strength to the whole structure. Prothane they just designed a central pin to do the replacement. They are just like energy suspension.
I guess these information you got it from their websites just talks, does not mean anything.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Just like the information you've giving us is just "talks", as well as the website in which you have in your signature, just "talks". Not one reliable suspension person has pipe up about the "hardrace" products, perhaps you should "sponsor" someone to get a review, since you seem to have a vested interest in the companies products.

 

actually some one has already done a review, that's why i'm so impressed.
read the following links...

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1231942

 

LIke I said, I'd like to see a review of a H-T member that is 'knowledgable' about suspensions.

 

DavidR;

Why do you want to see a review of a Honda-Tech member?

I'd hate to have somebody write a review of me!


In reality, the term "knowledgable about suspensions" is problematic. A certain amount of suspension tuning is a black art. There are several ways that a problem can be solved. As an example, the Japanese seem to like stiff springs to limit sway. Americans (and British) seem to like to use sway bars (and softer springs). Neither is wrong.

As for the reason that the rear trailing arms need a certain amount of play for inward and outward movement, it's due to the arc cut by the lower and upper arms. (that's just simple physics and not black art) As your wheels move up and down, they also move inward or outward from the car centerline.

Wes

 

I'd like for someone to put this on a car, probably on a track, and beat it up for a while. If you recall, the main reason for the ES type bushings getting so much negative press was someone did just that.

 

Agreeing with davidR

So much misimformation on here, one person says something and everyone follows.

Exactly what happened with urethane bushings.

 

Part number is:52385-SR3-000 for 88-00 Civic TABs

 

52385-S21-003 is the part number from the newest 2002 TSB '00-006e' about the trailing arm bushings.

I haven't a clue if the SR3 are better than the 'newer' S21 but the S21 are cheaper, just not as readily availible as the SR3 from what I gather.

Rick Case Honda 866-200-5028 , Ft. Lauderdale Davie, FL had 33 as of 7/31/05 of 52385-S21-003.

On http://www.slhondaparts.com, the SR3 are $41.04 ea whereas the S21 are $25.97 ea, quite a price difference. I have not checked prices with my local honda yet.

 

friends of mine track their cars and they all (counted 3) definitely recommend Mugen bushings.

other than King motorsports, where is a "good price" and reputable place to purchase them?

my friends all bought from a local guy years ago... but I'm not able to get in contact with him... possibly not here anymore!