swapping in a b16\ with a b18 ls bottom end, all stock components except new clutch water pump no ac block is getting decked now, buyt everthing is basicaly stock, oh yes arp head studs exeddy clutch kit , the builder im getting the motor from said around 190 flywheel horsepower @ 8300 rpm im guessing i'll be running low 14's anyone with a similar setup? my crx is a 89 stock si with my 230pound *** it in, am i goinf to beat srt4s?

 

be ready to have your thread deleted...

as far as your build...read man....read, there are eleventy million factors in this game....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DAantagonist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">be ready to have your thread deleted...

as far as your build...read man....read, there are eleventy million factors in this game....</TD></TR></TABLE> why would they delete it if were discussing an all MOTOR setup? im confused

 

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Because no one can determin how fast your car will be because it will depend on if you can drive, traction, etc.

 

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I think it's less what your asking and more that you're asking if it will beat something....mods tend to look down upon that. I could be wrong...I hope not. There are a million factors man...seriously. To answer your question, I have something VERY similar to you in my DA...I beat SRT4's all day . NOW, I'm NOT 230lbs though (170lbs).

 

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Because no one can determin how fast you car will be because i will depend on if you can drive, traction, etc.</TD></TR></TABLE>

see, hate to say it....told ya lol.

 

stock components meaning stock pistons and stock head? And 190 hp? Don't think so...you'll get spanked by any SRT-4. Not trying to hate on you, but go race one then come back and tell us how far you lost

 

if a b16 is producing 160 flywheel horsepower with 1.6 liters i dont think its unrealistic that adding 200+ cc's that it will result in a 30 horsepower increase, but im going on his word only have never known anyone with a ls vtec

 

he said 190 flywheel hp after 15% power loss that is 162 hp

 

how much horsepower do you think is gained from switching a b16 bottom to a b18 bottom , ?///?????, 10? 20? 30? why do people spend so much time and energy to swap out there bottom end if you can get more horsepower from just boltons? im thinking your answering questions you dont know the answer to

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mrwool983455 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how much horsepower do you think is gained from switching a b16 bottom to a b18 bottom , ?///?????, 10? 20? 30? why do people spend so much time and energy to swap out there bottom end if you can get more horsepower from just boltons? im thinking your answering questions you dont know the answer to </TD></TR></TABLE>

Think about what you just said people dont just switch out there bottoms ends for just hp they switch it out for the torque also and the displacment, bolt-ons cant add up to that.

 

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Think about what you just said people dont just switch out there bottoms ends for just hp they switch it out for the torque also and the displacment, bolt-ons cant add up to that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree and i dont think 160 wheel hp from a stock ls/vtec is that unrealistic

 

why are you asking this question. the best solution would be to just go and race on. not trying to be mean about it.

 

Im asking to see how fast a particular engine setup will perform in my car this seems weird to you ? Im building an engine right now and you think its weird to ask what kind of horspower i'll get from it? Let me ask a question thats more along your experties "" I want to cut my springs and go slammed any recomendations? "" !!! oh i forgot , i just got my new euro tails will they fit nicely with my extremly oversized bodykit"" cant wait to get my z3 fenders"", spooky i know , its like i overheard your whole conversation

 

With a b16 head on a b18 block you will make good power but if you wanna beat srt4's you'r gonna need more than that. change the pistons for higher compression and make it breath better, then you might have a good chance on winning.

 

LS/VTEC in a CRX with bolt ons should be able to beat a stock SRT-4 with little worries.

 

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yep

 

thanks for the confidence boost, i would like to build the motor while im doing it but the parts and everything have already cost me over 3500 so im kind of limited for , im acctualy going to have to use the stock si airbox on this thing!! not to mention the stock exhaust !!! hoping to find a used cai that will fit my swap

 

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Using stock components an LS/vtec making even 190 flywheel hp is a good number. Just by adding 200cc's, I don't think you will be at 190 flywheel, provided you are using all stock components(cams)--A stock GSR makes only 170!! I would venture to say a 100% stock ls/vtec would make around 175-180 flywheel if it was built properly.

 

uhh if u wanna jus try to beat uhh u shld try this open headers racing intake hondata if slicks gut ur car plexie glass it think wats it called try to gut out ur car from bottum n up 50 shot if u wnt to headers but yea if u wanna keep it stock keep it stock gd luck

 

?........mother of christ that was confusing

 

Honestly even when you make the horsepower you desire, it won't equate to any particular track time, because driving matters a lot in drag racing. For example me, i have a EF like you, except a hatch, and i have 203whp which is around 240 at the flywheel. I go to the track and get beat by an SRT-4, he ran a 13.6, me a 14.3, because there are a lot of factors in determining how fast you go. A good way to generally see the potential of your car is weight-to-power ratio, it isn't 100% accurate but will give a good guess. For example my car has about 8.8lbs per horsepower, yet an SRT-4 has 12.6lbs per horsepower, and i still got beat, but i know roughly the potential of how fast i can be. So you can see there are many steps to going fast. Building up the motor, tuning, then testing and tuning and tuning and tuning. Its a long road but its fun. But this is what i have learned, there's a lot more to it than "how fast will i go once i have XXX whp" it sucks but its the way it is.

 

well a stock srt at sea level will run only 14.1 although i saw a magazine artical where they had a stock srt running 13.9 with slicks right from the factory next to the beach so that is right at sea level

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rjay8604 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honestly even when you make the horsepower you desire, it won't equate to any particular track time, because driving matters a lot in drag racing. For example me, i have a EF like you, except a hatch, and i have 203whp which is around 240 at the flywheel. I go to the track and get beat by an SRT-4, he ran a 13.6, me a 14.3, because there are a lot of factors in determining how fast you go. </TD></TR></TABLE>203whp, in that car should be doing less times than that and shouldn't be getting owned by a SRT-4. Work on your driving and try run one again, cause I have seen Civics with less power beaten them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeBwaiSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">203whp, in that car should be doing less times than that and shouldn't be getting owned by a SRT-4. Work on your driving and try run one again, cause I have seen Civics with less power beaten them.

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Yeah i agree, but i was just trying to show how even when you have the power it doesn't mean you'll be as fast as you want to be, so not only do you need the power, but then whaen thats accomplished then you have to work on driving. Its like the turbo guys making 300whp and then running 15's because it takes time and practice.