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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:04 PM
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Well as all of you know heat is the enemy when it comes to cars(that goes extra for boosted ones!)

I run the cheap *** Autozone 50/50 crap.
Is there a more proven brand or type of coolant that might help me keep those temps down?

Appreciate the help as always.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:06 PM
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for times when its not below freezing. buy redline water wteer. available at advanced autoparts. you mix it in with distilled wtaer. temps drop 20-30 degrees on average and it sheds heat faster too
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:08 PM
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Evans coolant is very good at keeping things safe. It doesn't boil until 375deg F with no pressure, and is a very low pressure coolant.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Evans coolant is very good at keeping things safe. It doesn't boil until 375deg F with no pressure, and is a very low pressure coolant. </TD></TR></TABLE>

.. but it has a higher viscosity so it means their is more parasitic frictional losses through the water pump.

If you need the extra cooling it could be a good trade off....
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for times when its not below freezing. buy redline water wteer. available at advanced autoparts. you mix it in with distilled wtaer. temps drop 20-30 degrees on average and it sheds heat faster too</TD></TR></TABLE>

Or save yourself 8 dollars and spend a fraction of a cent on 2-3 small drops of liquid hand soap for the same effect.

Don't worry, the Propylene Glycol/Ethylene Glycol will take care of the anti-corrosion/lubrication needs of your coolant system.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:29 PM
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i get my water wetter for like 3 bucks
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i get my water wetter for like 3 bucks</TD></TR></TABLE>

I get my 2,3 drops of liquid hand soap for less than a cent or free if I take some from a public restroom.
... Yes, I'm a cheap bastard ... and don't see any sense in using water wetter.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:35 PM
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lol. i can see you walking our of a place with soap in your hands.. running to your car... popping the hood while not spilling the soap, tkaing the rad cap off and dropping it in.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:43 PM
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no, no , no...

i coat my hand in soap and run out to dip each one of my fingers in 5 of my friends radiators to get everybodies coolant system up to par. Scalding my fingers with hot coolant is painful but saving 3 bucks is fantastic!

.... but seriously.... I have tried many different solutions and might go the evans route and see how it works. Or maybe I will ditch my air/oil cooler and go with a complicated/expensive laminova oil/water cooler.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:44 PM
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Dasher, you sayin to runs straight water w/ 2-3 drops?

Wantboost, does Water Wetter require a 50/50 mix as well?
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:45 PM
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lol. do you know a good place to get the remote filter mount stuff, one that completely caps off the oil boss.

also the cooler and lines? preferably a diy place so its cheaper than a name brand kit
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SlowPokeEg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dasher, you sayin to runs straight water w/ 2-3 drops?

Wantboost, does Water Wetter require a 50/50 mix as well?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No. 50%Propylene Glycol/Ethylene Glycol , 50% distilled water with 2,3 small drops(not more) of liquid hand soap.

water wetter needs 50/50 too.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:48 PM
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no, we run water wetter with nothing but distilled water. whatever it says to mix on the back of the bottle... i dont remember
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol. do you know a good place to get the remote filter mount stuff, one that completely caps off the oil boss.

also the cooler and lines? preferably a diy place so its cheaper than a name brand kit</TD></TR></TABLE>

The best remote mount filters available are from Canton...

http://www.cmfilters.com/

.. this way you filter 100% of the oil all the time with no need for a pressure bypass.

here is an install write up...

http://tech.hybridgarage.com/t....html

or you can get a cheaper one at summit.

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I get my radiator hoses from Amazon Hose because they are local to me.... just remember that if the hose is not preformed you need to make sure it is re-enforced with metal wire to prevent from collapsing when you bend it.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no, we run water wetter with nothing but distilled water.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Water Wetter only raises the boiling point elevation and lowers the freezing point depression slightly. Even if you ran a higher pressure radiator cap you are still going to boil/freeze your coolant.

Are you sure that you don't run any anti-freeze or are these dragstrip only cars which aren't run for very long?
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:14 PM
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thanks for that link... def getting my stuff from them. now. do you think a stock itr oil pump can hanlde running a vtec head (ls/vtec) a turbo feed line, a remote oil cooler and the remote oil filter? not to mention this motor will be seeing high rpm operation (10k max)

as for the water wetter.... we run it in our racebikes (superbikes) street bikes, and our cars with no ill-efects
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks for that link... def getting my stuff from them. now. do you think a stock itr oil pump can hanlde running a vtec head (ls/vtec) a turbo feed line, a remote oil cooler and the remote oil filter? not to mention this motor will be seeing high rpm operation (10k max)
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Yes... but the long lines going to the filter and cooler will place more stress on the oil pump lowering oil pressure and increasing the chance of an oil pump failure, and complicating your system which can lead to other reliability issues.

I'm not that happy with my oil cooler and I invested in a pretty decent sized core. It works a little, best when you don't need it at all(colder ambiant temp), and most of the benefits you will see comes from the extra 2 quarts of oil you use.
The extra oil will give you more oil to heat up thus delaying your car from over-heating.

I'm definetely going to ditch the oil/air and go stock or oil/water.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:30 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
as for the water wetter.... we run it in our racebikes (superbikes) street bikes, and our cars with no ill-efects</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you absolutely sure that you use just water/ water wetter? Redline advises their customers to use antifreeze on their website and on the back of the bottle.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:33 PM
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hmmm, now that i think about it... i thik we add a quart or so.. not too much.

so think id be fine just doing the oil feed, head feed, remote oil filter then? happen to know the stock honda oil thread pitch?
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:45 PM
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Well, maybe i'll pick up a bottle and read the label if we're having a lil controversy
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmmm, now that i think about it... i thik we add a quart or so.. not too much.

so think id be fine just doing the oil feed, head feed, remote oil filter then? happen to know the stock honda oil thread pitch?</TD></TR></TABLE>

you want to use at least 20% antifreeze when usoing watter / wetter

I still want to test any benefits of vented CF hoods.... the hood washer trick helped a little bit but not much and looked horrible.

1/8" bspt for the oil pressure sender port.

Imma gonna get some sleep, g'night.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SlowPokeEg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, maybe i'll pick up a bottle and read the label if we're having a lil controversy </TD></TR></TABLE>

no controversy ... check right now-------------

http://www.redlineoil.com/whitePaper/17.pdf

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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:49 PM
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no, i meant the threads for the boss you screw the oil filter onto
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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 05:04 AM
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Dasher, I got a great write up on diy hood vents, I'll send to ya in a minute.

Wantboost, oil filter is M20x1.5.

I'm doing an oil cooler setup right now aslo. Got an awesome cooler from ebay from xoxoracing.

ps...most use about 15% antifreeze just for the lubrication it provides that water doesn't have.

Whats really the difference between distilled water and tap? Does distilled not have a positive electrical charge or something? I know distilled is pure but is that it?
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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 06:21 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike1114 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Whats really the difference between distilled water and tap? Does distilled not have a positive electrical charge or something? I know distilled is pure but is that it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

hard water=mineral buildup problems.

Softened water contains dissolved salts that act as an electrolyte, encouraging galvanic action between the dissimilar metals.

distilled water
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