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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:26 AM
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Default Duration/Lift for B-Series cams.

Ive see alot of post's were member's are looking for the Spec's of Cam Shaft's. So here is a list of Cam Spec's for all you B-Series racers out there!!!

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Toda Spec A 11.6 mm, duration - 250 @ 1mm 11.2mm, duration - 240 @ 1mm
Toda Spec B 12 mm,duration - 255 @ 1mm 12 mm, duration - 245 @ 1mm
Toda Spec C 12.5 mm,duration - 255 @ 1mm 12.5 mm, duration - 255 @ 1mm

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Jun Type 1 10.9 mm, duration - 265.3 @ 1mm 10.0 mm, duration - 268 @ 1mm
Jun Type 2 12.0 mm, duration - 266.6 @ 1mm 10.9 mm, duration - 265.3 @ 1mm
Jun Type 3 12.0 mm, duration - 265.3 @ 1mm 11.5 mm, duration - 265.3 @ 1mm

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Spoon Sports 11.53 mm, duration - 256 @ 1mm 11.13 mm, duration - 245 @ 1mm

Skunk2 stage1 11.58 mm, duration 252 @ 1mm 10.9 mm, duration 249 @ 1mm
Skunk2 stage 2 12.3 mm, duration 266 @ 1mm 11.8 mm, duration 262 @ 1mm
Skunk2 stage 3 12.8 mm, duration 273 @ 1mm 11.5 mm, duration 273 @ 1mm

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Crower 63400 10.72 mm, duration - 234 @ 1mm 9.60 mm, duration - 234 @ 1mm
Crower 63401 11.38 mm, duration - 249 @ 1mm 10.54 mm, duration - 240 @ 1mm
Crower 63401T 11.81 mm, duration - 230 @ 1mm 11.30 mm, duration - 226 @ 1mm
Crower 63402 11.84 mm, duration - 258 @ 1mm 11.84 mm, duration - 251 @ 1mm
Crower 63402A 11.84 mm, duration - 246 @ 1mm 11.81 mm, duration - 239 @ 1mm
Crower 63403 12.04 mm, duration - 267 @ 1mm 11.84 mm, duration - 257 @ 1mm

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Integra Type R 11.5 mm, duration - 240 @ 1mm 10.5 mm, duration - 235 @ 1mm
Civic Type R 11.5mm, duration - 243 @ 1mm 10.5 mm, duration - 235 @ 1mm

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Buddy Club III 11.59mm, duration 304@1mm 10.71mm, duration- 294@1mm
Buddy ClubIII+ 11.2mm, duration 296@1mm 11.5mm, duration- 290@1mm
Buddy Club IV 12.3mm, duration 306@1mm 11.8mm, duration-302@1mm
Buddy Club V 12.8mm, duration 312@1mm 11.8mm, duartion- 306@1mm


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EF-1 m24 cams 12.1 mm, duration - 258 @1mm 12.1 mm, duration - 258 @1mm




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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:16 AM
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you for got these

Buddy Club III 11.59mm, duration 304@1mm 10.71mm, duration- 294@1mm
Buddy ClubIII+ 11.2mm, duration 296@1mm 11.5mm, duration- 290@1mm
Buddy Club IV 12.3mm, duration 306@1mm 11.8mm, duration-302@1mm
Buddy Club V 12.8mm, duration 312@1mm 11.8mm, duartion- 306@1mm

EF-1 m24 cams 12.1 mm, duration - 258 @1mm 12.1 mm, duration - 258 @1mm
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:22 AM
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Keep them coming if I forgot any!!!
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:38 AM
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The Buddy Club duration #'s are wrong, that is advertised duration, not 1mm
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:41 AM
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Please post the right numbers that way all Member will have the right numbers!!!
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:47 AM
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The BC 4's were 12.3 mm 266 @1mm IN 11.8mm 262@1mm EX. Forgot the BC3+ numbers but the duration was less. I will have a set of BC 5's and SK pro2,s this week and check them on my degree "mule"
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 09:59 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fracas &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Please post the right numbers that way all Member will have the right numbers!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
well if you search all the archived posts thats what everyone has decided after they degree them.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The BC 4's were 12.3 mm 266 @1mm IN 11.8mm 262@1mm EX. Forgot the BC3+ numbers but the duration was less.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you are absolutely wrong, your posting the specs from a Skunks Stage 2
"Skunk2 stage 2 12.3 mm, duration 266 @ 1mm 11.8 mm, duration 262 @ 1mm "
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 10:41 AM
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Want to bet? I could use the money. I can send you a degree sheet on the BC4's and Skunk2's, and my pay-pal acct. # Both have the same VTEC lobes. The BC4 in. primarys seem to be Toda C's . I just recieved the BC5's, will get them degreed in a day or so.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 10:44 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Want to bet? I could use the money. I can send you a degree sheet on the BC4's and Skunk2's, and my pay-pal acct. # Both have the same VTEC lobes. The BC4 in. primarys seem to be Toda C's . I just recieved the BC5's, will get them degreed in a day or so.</TD></TR></TABLE>
come on fool, why would I send you money LOL... GTFO!
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 10:49 AM
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What spec's did you get when you degreed them?
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 11:24 AM
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haha is this guy seriously telling a highly acclaimed engine builder he doesn t know how to degree cams. WOW my money is on DonF.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 11:44 AM
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hey don, what did you degree the skunk2 stage 2's @?

Are they truly the same as buddy club 4's?
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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actually with my degree wheel and indicators, the BC4 vetec lobes are the same as Sk STg2, the primary lobes are different.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 12:10 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civdx94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">haha is this guy seriously telling a highly acclaimed engine builder he doesn t know how to degree cams. WOW my money is on DonF. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I said "he doesn't know how to degree cams"???????. what a nut rider, give Don F your money

BTW for all you non-belivers Im not the only one who believes this
http://www.allmotorhonda.com/t...s.htm





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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 12:45 PM
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OMG this was supposed to be used as INFO for people that dont know the Duration/lift of Aftermarkett cams. Now it is a All Out War!!!


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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 01:21 PM
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The BC5 spec sheet has 12.8mm lift, 267@ 1mm IN.. 11.8 lift 274@1mm EX.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 06:04 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GUILOTINE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
well if you search all the archived posts thats what everyone has decided after they degree them.


you are absolutely wrong, your posting the specs from a Skunks Stage 2
"Skunk2 stage 2 12.3 mm, duration 266 @ 1mm 11.8 mm, duration 262 @ 1mm "</TD></TR></TABLE>

I hate to do this to you since your my buddy... But Donf is correct for the Buddy4 # Buddy copies skunks vtec profile.. And Don was also the one to let BC know their degree charts were wrong... I beleive the closing on the ex? what was it Don?

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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 06:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GUILOTINE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I said "he doesn't know how to degree cams"???????. what a nut rider, give Don F your money

BTW for all you non-belivers Im not the only one who believes this
http://www.allmotorhonda.com/t...s.htm

Modified by GUILOTINE at 1:39 PM 7/18/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>
I also know theres been 2 batches of buddy 4's so there's probably where your different #'s came from..
Find out which buddy 4's your resources did the A's or the b's.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 06:14 PM
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It would be great if you guys could provide the centerline for each of the listed cams.

Looking for centerline for for Toda B and C cams.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 06:28 PM
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numbers, numbers, numbers blahh...
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 06:55 PM
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hmmm... i'm not a gambling person but i'd have to go with don.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 07:57 PM
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So anyone know the centerline of Toda B and C cams.

Additionally, don't have a cam degree tool, but how much ADV/RET on the cams would get me close to the centerline setting for the Toda B and C cams.

Just want to start close to the centerline for a base platform to start tuning on.
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:09 PM
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just buy a degree wheel/ kit. Great investment. that will help you get LC..
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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Most information on how to degree cams are for domestic vehicle's, does it differ on our vtec engines.

Wouldn't we want to find centerline for the vtec lobe and not the primary or is the centerline for the primary lobe same as the vtec lobe?
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Old Jul 18, 2005 | 08:24 PM
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Which cam degreeing kit do you guys use? Web cam, Summit, etc.
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