Ok, it been a question going through my mind for weeks now, NOS for Turbo. I have been doing some research, and Turbo seems the way to go if I dont want to be limited. I do know of the tuning issues, but its somthing I will have to endure, it sounds like the benefeits outweigh the negatives. I was thinking of getting a NOS dry kit before getting the Turbo kit, but am thinking that maybe I should go ahead and use that money towards the kit, and have it sooner. Gotta start saving, need the kit by time July comes around.

 

Just looked at the F-Max kit, from what I can see, it looks like a cleaner kit, and dyno proven, but who sell them? Anyone hear use the kit?

 

F-max and drags are good, but they'll ruin your engine quick if you don't tune it right of have the right internals (ie:rods, pistons, etc.). I personally like the turbonetics custom setup, but its hard to tune. I'll try to find a link to this site I was at a few days ago...a guy did a custom setup with a garrett, (shitty turbo) with all used parts, and an intake...he was getting something like a 60% gain and it only cost him like 2300 or something. This was on a B16 I believe, but its all the same concept.

 

stock internals are fine, just don't crank the boost

Did you read that in a magazine somewhere?

Look kids... turbo is nice, NOS is nice, but you have to look at your funds. are you REALLY gonna be able to start any of this and follow it through? It's not a cake walk. You have to be dedicated, and a little on the insane side.

 

Yes JG, I am willing to start and finish what I start. If am am not, I will know before I have the funds saved up for the Turbo kit. I am gonna go with the F-Max kit, lower the compression with the thicker headgasket, and boost about 4-6psi for daily driving. Up it to 9psi for drag racing, with the use of racing fuel of course.


[Modified by Toretto, 11:47 PM 2/17/2002]

 

If you boost that motor without changing the pistons, thats the biggest mistake youll ever make financially wise.

pistons are going to crack.

Jeff

 

I was always under the impression that if you boost relatively low, say 7 psi max, and have some good tuning with say a standalone unit like a hondata setup, that it should be fine? Am I wrong for thinking this because I was just about to drop some money on a drag kit...followed by a hondata 2b setup...

So you would suggest changing pistons for a 7psi setup? I thought internals would be fine with such low boost?

 

7psi if you have it intercooled and thats the highest you should go on stock internals.

 

seen probably 4 sets crack on well tuned cars at 4 PSI.

They SUCK. SUCK...totally horrible.

Youll see.

Jeff

 

I'm going to have to second this. Ramen starts to taste pretty damn nasty after eating it for 6 months straight just to afford a nitrous kit.

 

Cracking stock pistons at 4psi means they were not tuned properly. This is just a fact. There are meny people running stock internals even up to with no problem. I ran 8psi with no problem for 30k miles and my pistons were mint when I pulled them. I don't believe any FMU or two injector additional injector setup is "well tuned".

 

Get your credit cards, checks and spare change out from the couch, you're in for a ride. Honestly, I've cracked ring lands twice. First was when my BC was set too high and boosted 16psi by accident. Second was when I was sent the wrong sized injectors and that was it. The 6 months prior to the 1st incident, 7psi, FMU and outrageously high fuel pressures in boost kept the motor strong and happy. Since the last piston replacement, I am now at 8psi, perfect AF ratios in full boost (12.5-11.9:1) and no problems as of late (knocking on wood really hard). It is fun, but learn from other people's mistakes to avoid your own, fuel-fuel-fuel, and timing retard above 7psi.....HTH

My last testing of the car was 3000rpm to 6000rpm in fifth gear up a little hill, talk about real-world testing. Dangerous, yes...but the car took it like a man. For how long, we'll find out when it does....

 

Yes, it gonna be hard to save up. Maybe I will start selling some plasma on the side. If you think about it, anyone who is willing to shell out 3 grand to make their ride go faster, has to be a little nuts, after that, just how nuts will you be. Wanting to run 10's in the 1/4 is nuts, you also have to relize my goal is 10's, and 10.99999 will do.

 

well the biggest thing with turbo is the tuning...you could run 7psi with stock internals IF the turbo is properly tuned...if you just slap it on and run 9psi, then you're just asking for more problems...my buddy did that and ended up with 4 crack pistons...and he thought that you could just slap on a turbo and run the factory setting for the turbo and you wont have any problem...wrong...keyword...TUNING....

 

Your goals are 10s? In a Prelude? Hehehehe. First mod you should make is RWD using S2000 drive train..... Better yet, after building the Prelude motor with the turbo, drop it into an 89 crx. FWD and heavy cars don't exactly = 10s, probably 12s..... Sorry to say, if you do it you'll be a first....... Good Luck!

 

and it will get very expensive too...you buy a turbo and you have to upgrade your pistons injectors etc, etc...i'm just gonna start buying all the things that i will need to run a turbo and i mean everything from rods to injectors to turbo muffler etc etc...just start collecting all that i need and when i'm ready for turbo...put in on with everything all in one shot....

 

well you might want to look at XES setup...thats with 17psi .....everything's possible...

 

It seems in impossible because not to many people have done it. Most people wanting to run those kind of times would rather use a CRX or somthing, cause it will be easier, not saying it will be easy, but with some weight reductions, massive amounts of HP, and tuning till I puke, it can be done. We'll see what happens.

 

Don't worry about other people saying that you can't hit 10s. Anything is possible with money and knowledge. Make sure that you make friends with one shop, so that you can get good deals. You're going to end up putting the owner's kid through college with a 10 second set up.

 

For a 10 sec prelude, all I can say is good luck and I hope you own another car to drive everyday.

 

True dat Laughin. I need to find a shop though, none in my area. If anyone lives near northwest Ohio, and knows of a good shop, please let me know. The best price I have found on the F-Max kit is 3500, but for a 10 sec Lude, thats just the first chunk of money I am going to poor into the Lude. Here is a promise I am going to make right now, if I can get the Lude to run 10's, I will never sell it or get rid of it till the day I die. It may sit in my garage and be a weekend cruiser one day, but I wont ever sell it.


[Modified by Toretto, 4:05 AM 2/18/2002]

 

Check out some of the shops owned by H-T members. I know that Drag II has one.

 

Don't even bother buying a fmax kit shooting for 10's. Pretty much every part of that kit will have to be replaced to get the kind of hp you want. I personally think you should get the fmax kit, build your engine, and hope for 12's.

 

Explain!

 

For 10's, you would probably want a different manifold, one that flows better than the log style fmax. You will want a bigger turbo, a wastegate and bov that handle 20+ psi, a bigger downpipe, ditch the MF2 obviously, bigger intercooler. Basically, every piece of the kit would be replaced except maybe the vacuum tubing. If you want to run 10's, custom is your only option.