Which Engine Management Suits Do You Think Suits Me?
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Which Engine Management Suits Do You Think Suits Me?
So I have been reading up on engine management systems and confused on what to get. Currently, I have a B16 with pistons, rods, missing link, vortech fmu and stock injectors. I plan on removing the fmu and link for 450's or 550's, gm bar and need a engine management system of some type. Dont want to make crazy power, probably around 300 at the most and its a daily driver. What do you guys think I should get? ems, hondata or e-manage? best system for my setup and features that I would use. Thanks.
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Re: Which Engine Management Suits Do You Think Suits Me? (Autobot_Killer)
Considering you live in Toronto I would wait untill Hondata S300 comes out, or get the AEM or something of that nature. An Uberdata/Crome/Hondata car will drive like *** if you get it tuned on a 25 degree day and try to drive it on a -20 degree winter day.
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Re: Which Engine Management Suits Do You Think Suits Me? (Autobot_Killer)
Check on what the person who will be tuning it is comfortable with. The AEM EMS is a great system, but if you don't have a talented EMS tuner anywhere near you, then it could be a pain in the ***.
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Re: Which Engine Management Suits Do You Think Suits Me? (wantboost)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not to mention 450's wont support 300whp</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes they will, barely
yes they will, barely
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Re: Which Engine Management Suits Do You Think Suits Me? (therealPROJEKTEG)
I guess 450's then. I know a guy who is really good at tuning the aem. With my setup (or future setup), aem instead of hondata or e-manage? Do I need all the features of the aem or would hondata or e-manage do?
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Re: Which Engine Management Suits Do You Think Suits Me? (Autobot_Killer)
They would all work, and you probably won't use all the features of the EMS, but I'm sure glad I bought mine. Hondata is nice too, I used to run a S200. E-manage is a piggyback, I wouldn't classify it with the other two. If you've got the cash and have a good tuner locally, then I'd say get the AEM, it will do about whatever you want to do.
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Re: Which Engine Management Suits Do You Think Suits Me? (frxtc@9k)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by frxtc@9k »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Neptune.</TD></TR></TABLE>
seriously... neptune.... isnt there anyone in canada that can do neptune?
seriously... neptune.... isnt there anyone in canada that can do neptune?
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Re: Which Engine Management Suits Do You Think Suits Me? (Dturbocivic)
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seriously... neptune.... isnt there anyone in canada that can do neptune?</TD></TR></TABLE>
nope......it sucks here
seriously... neptune.... isnt there anyone in canada that can do neptune?</TD></TR></TABLE>
nope......it sucks here
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rhd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what does neptune offer over crome or hondata?
they're all based off the stock ecu</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.hrtuning.com/index....tures
Read.
they're all based off the stock ecu</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.hrtuning.com/index....tures
Read.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rhd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what does neptune offer over crome or hondata?
they're all based off the stock ecu</TD></TR></TABLE>
Neptune has an added feature that makes it so that you can't make tuning changes yourself, and you also probably can't take it to your favorite local tuner because the Neptune people only let a limited number of tuners have access to the box to tune it. It has some other nice features too, but those two are enough for me.
The new Hondata S300 looks pretty sweet, like they finally made a correct version of a S200. If only they could make it in OBD2, I'd be tempted to buy it.
http://www.hondata.com/s300.html
they're all based off the stock ecu</TD></TR></TABLE>
Neptune has an added feature that makes it so that you can't make tuning changes yourself, and you also probably can't take it to your favorite local tuner because the Neptune people only let a limited number of tuners have access to the box to tune it. It has some other nice features too, but those two are enough for me.
The new Hondata S300 looks pretty sweet, like they finally made a correct version of a S200. If only they could make it in OBD2, I'd be tempted to buy it.
http://www.hondata.com/s300.html
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crome pro or neptune definitely, but crome is much more practical than neptune simply b/c you don't have to be in the neptune elite just to buy a license in order to make changes to your tune if you want, and the fact that you're in canada as well. crome pro license is 149usd and other than that all you would 'really' need is a chip burner (50-100usd) and a wideband, or just pay for some dyno time and use their wideband. so basically 200 bucks plus dyno time. i've used hondata, uberdata, and crome pro to tune cars, and crome is by far my favorite.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by therealPROJEKTEG »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">crome pro or neptune definitely, but crome is much more practical than neptune simply b/c you don't have to be in the neptune elite just to buy a license in order to make changes to your tune if you want, and the fact that you're in canada as well. crome pro license is 149usd and other than that all you would 'really' need is a chip burner (50-100usd) and a wideband, or just pay for some dyno time and use their wideband. so basically 200 bucks plus dyno time. i've used hondata, uberdata, and crome pro to tune cars, and crome is by far my favorite.</TD></TR></TABLE>
crome pro is nice and im all for DIY programs...but as much as it was hard for me to admit the s300 is VERY hard to beat for the price. The way i look at it...
Crome pro $150
Burner $75 - 100
Romulator $175
(yes you don't "need" real time tuning but come on...once you do you'll need this option
)
Total $ 400 -425 and have a mess of wires in the car and a bunch of different software..
For ~$100 more you can get the hondata unit and do all of that with more options while keeping it simple. not to mention the iat correction, etc
crome pro is nice and im all for DIY programs...but as much as it was hard for me to admit the s300 is VERY hard to beat for the price. The way i look at it...
Crome pro $150
Burner $75 - 100
Romulator $175
(yes you don't "need" real time tuning but come on...once you do you'll need this option
) Total $ 400 -425 and have a mess of wires in the car and a bunch of different software..
For ~$100 more you can get the hondata unit and do all of that with more options while keeping it simple. not to mention the iat correction, etc
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I like the idea of the s300, but price comparison/breakdown is a bit off...
CromePro license $150 (or CromeFree/Uberdata $0)
EcuControl/Freelog $0 (or any other free datalogging software)
Ostrich $175
Misc $25-$50 (Datalogging/Chipping)
That adds up to $225-$375...
The s300 is like the K-Pro, it uses calibrations instead of editing complete ROMs and won't allow you to burn chips (so no chip burner required on the list). The software comes free with the system because it only works with the s300 hardware (Normally you'd end up paying $400+ for the software as with previous Hondata systems). If you want to tune your own car, it might be worth it. But if you belong to a group with one tuner for all your cars, then each person has to shell out money for an s300 system (unless I'm mistaken about the system).
In the end, it all comes down to the question, "Am I going to use the real-time editing and datalogging features?" If not, then you're better off having a good tuner tune your car for you and not pay an extra cent for features you won't use. Imagine if AEM had a system that cost 1/3 of their current EMS but doesn't allow you to modify it -- you have to go to an authorized dealer to tune and modify the program. Wouldn't that be a better solution for a great number of AEM users right now who have no single clue as to what the parameters that show up on their PCs mean and do?
Like I said before, I really like the idea of the s300 -- having real-time programmability and dataloggin through one cable (I'm trying to see if Craig Moates can do the same for the DIY crowd). I would recommend it for anyone less knowlegable about Honda ECU chipping. But unless s300 calibration files work with s100 systems, then it's really not worth it if you are not personally tuning your own car.
CromePro license $150 (or CromeFree/Uberdata $0)
EcuControl/Freelog $0 (or any other free datalogging software)
Ostrich $175
Misc $25-$50 (Datalogging/Chipping)
That adds up to $225-$375...
The s300 is like the K-Pro, it uses calibrations instead of editing complete ROMs and won't allow you to burn chips (so no chip burner required on the list). The software comes free with the system because it only works with the s300 hardware (Normally you'd end up paying $400+ for the software as with previous Hondata systems). If you want to tune your own car, it might be worth it. But if you belong to a group with one tuner for all your cars, then each person has to shell out money for an s300 system (unless I'm mistaken about the system).
In the end, it all comes down to the question, "Am I going to use the real-time editing and datalogging features?" If not, then you're better off having a good tuner tune your car for you and not pay an extra cent for features you won't use. Imagine if AEM had a system that cost 1/3 of their current EMS but doesn't allow you to modify it -- you have to go to an authorized dealer to tune and modify the program. Wouldn't that be a better solution for a great number of AEM users right now who have no single clue as to what the parameters that show up on their PCs mean and do?
Like I said before, I really like the idea of the s300 -- having real-time programmability and dataloggin through one cable (I'm trying to see if Craig Moates can do the same for the DIY crowd). I would recommend it for anyone less knowlegable about Honda ECU chipping. But unless s300 calibration files work with s100 systems, then it's really not worth it if you are not personally tuning your own car.
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John i was just curious if you have started working on iat corrections for crome yet? I think at this point that is one of the major things that sets all the big fancy stuff like neptune, aem, etc. apart from crome/uberdata/hondata. Not to say that they don't have a lot of other nice features that make them worth the extra money to some people, but I think this is a big concern for many people.
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like anyone would listen to someone with only 2 posts^^^^^^^^^ j.k.
I’m just starting to get into the tuning thing. I’m really excited to learn. And will be buying the crome pro as soon as I get a laptop. As I see it its like this
Chipped ecu with zif and datalogging ready from mtber+ some extra chips= 215 shipped
Chip burner = 45 shipped
Wideband cuz u want to do it right= 400
Crome pro= 150
Data cable= 30
Laptop= 700
Extra motor from h-motors cuz I’ll probably blow mine and it’s a great excuse to do a full build= 900
Countless hours reading a lot of stuff you don’t understand
Knowing you did it yourself and being able to help your friends= priceless
I’m just starting to get into the tuning thing. I’m really excited to learn. And will be buying the crome pro as soon as I get a laptop. As I see it its like this
Chipped ecu with zif and datalogging ready from mtber+ some extra chips= 215 shipped
Chip burner = 45 shipped
Wideband cuz u want to do it right= 400
Crome pro= 150
Data cable= 30
Laptop= 700
Extra motor from h-motors cuz I’ll probably blow mine and it’s a great excuse to do a full build= 900
Countless hours reading a lot of stuff you don’t understand
Knowing you did it yourself and being able to help your friends= priceless
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[QUOTE=johncui]I like the idea of the s300, but price comparison/breakdown is a bit off...
CromePro license $150 (or CromeFree/Uberdata $0)
EcuControl/Freelog $0 (or any other free datalogging software)
Ostrich $175
Misc $25-$50 (Datalogging/Chipping)
That adds up to $225-$375...
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you forgot to add 300 for wideband. also most places i've seen charge around 50-60 just for chipping.
CromePro license $150 (or CromeFree/Uberdata $0)
EcuControl/Freelog $0 (or any other free datalogging software)
Ostrich $175
Misc $25-$50 (Datalogging/Chipping)
That adds up to $225-$375...
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you forgot to add 300 for wideband. also most places i've seen charge around 50-60 just for chipping.
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you forgot to add 300 for wideband. also most places i've seen charge around 50-60 just for chipping.[/QUOTE]
Well that only really needs to be added if you are a DIY tuner. You can still get the car tuned at a dyno facility with their WB, or you could also borrow somebody elses. If you were to add $300 to Crome for a WB then you'd have to add the same amount to your S300 in order for both of them to be even.
Well that only really needs to be added if you are a DIY tuner. You can still get the car tuned at a dyno facility with their WB, or you could also borrow somebody elses. If you were to add $300 to Crome for a WB then you'd have to add the same amount to your S300 in order for both of them to be even.