Whats it take?
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Whats it take?
I am just curious, is there a number of HP to hit to get cetain times? Cause I always though it would take at least 400HP to get into the 12's, but am, now seeing all motor setups, with about 230whp getting low 13's, and some getting into the 12's. How is that? I am not going to go all motor, nitrous for me, but am not sure how much to get my times I would like to see. What are the times I want to see you ask, whats my user name? Still dont know, think harder.
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Re: Whats it take? (Toretto)
Horsepower is relative.
An extremely light weight car that has 160 HP can/will beat a heavier 200+ HP car.
A performance bolt-on might not gain any horsepower, you might even lose some. Never trust what they company say, you're the consumer and they need your business.
Traction is a must! You won't see anyone running low twelves on street tires. Slicks and wide light weight wheels are a must.
Quarter mile times are very accurate, you do need a fast car to get a good time, however it takes little more skill to lower your time. Such as lauch, and clutch release. Keeping your car in a straight line will also help. Autocrossing is a whole new topic...
[Modified by w00t!, 3:14 AM 2/15/2002]
An extremely light weight car that has 160 HP can/will beat a heavier 200+ HP car.
A performance bolt-on might not gain any horsepower, you might even lose some. Never trust what they company say, you're the consumer and they need your business.
Traction is a must! You won't see anyone running low twelves on street tires. Slicks and wide light weight wheels are a must.
Quarter mile times are very accurate, you do need a fast car to get a good time, however it takes little more skill to lower your time. Such as lauch, and clutch release. Keeping your car in a straight line will also help. Autocrossing is a whole new topic...
[Modified by w00t!, 3:14 AM 2/15/2002]
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Re: Whats it take? (w00t!)
Horsepower is relative.
An extremely light weight car that has 160 HP can/will beat a heavier 200+ HP car.
A performance bolt-on might not gain any horsepower, you might even lose some. Never trust what they company say, you're the consumer and they need your business.
Traction is a must! You won't see anyone running low twelves on street tires. Slicks and wide light weight wheels are a must.
Quarter mile times are very accurate, you do need a fast car to get a good time, however it takes little more skill to lower your time. Such as lauch, and clutch release. Keeping your car in a straight line will also help. Autocrossing is a whole new topic...
[Modified by w00t!, 3:14 AM 2/15/2002]
An extremely light weight car that has 160 HP can/will beat a heavier 200+ HP car.
A performance bolt-on might not gain any horsepower, you might even lose some. Never trust what they company say, you're the consumer and they need your business.
Traction is a must! You won't see anyone running low twelves on street tires. Slicks and wide light weight wheels are a must.
Quarter mile times are very accurate, you do need a fast car to get a good time, however it takes little more skill to lower your time. Such as lauch, and clutch release. Keeping your car in a straight line will also help. Autocrossing is a whole new topic...
[Modified by w00t!, 3:14 AM 2/15/2002]
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Re: Whats it take? (typeSwarrior)
I dont know if its true or not, but I was told that for every one hundred pounds, it takes 10HP to make it up. I doubt this is as accurate when a car gets really light, but its just what I was told. So basically, if a Prelude that weighs 2200 pounds runs the 1/4 in 10 seconds with about 350 ponies, well tuned I should add, then a Prelude that weighs 3000 pounds would have to have 450-500whp to do the same times, also well tuned.
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Re: Whats it take? (Toretto)
Weight reduction, less mass rotation, slicks and some DYNO tunning. Anything is possible with the right set ups.....I've been thinking of cutting some metal off the doors, and hide it with the door pannel, taking off the sun roof but the hard part is what can I use for substitution @ the Tracks they'll probably say some crap 
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Re: Whats it take? (Jonesy69)
I am starting to learn that their is more to it than just raw HP. Gotta get the power to the ground, so slicks would be essential, some good dyno tuning would be great. I dont know how much weight reduction we can do without doing any cutting, but maybe I will do a search on that. 225 shots of nitrous on an extremely well built high compression engine should give me the amount of power I need to get the times I want, it comes down to tuning, getting the power to the ground, and flying off the line, practice makes almost perfect.
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Re: Whats it take? (Toretto)
...225 shots of nitrous on an extremely well built high compression engine should give me the amount of power I need to get the times I want...
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Re: Whats it take? (w00t!)
With a controller, I can hadle that much. On a completely rebuilt engine, meaning everything, crank, pistons, rods, ext. I wont just rebuild the engine, and start spraying 225 shots, I will start low, tune, and go from there. If it can be done with Turbo, it can be done with nitrous. What I dont know is how much nitrous it would take.
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Re: Whats it take? (Toretto)
With a controller, I can hadle that much. On a completely rebuilt engine, meaning everything, crank, pistons, rods, ext. I wont just rebuild the engine, and start spraying 225 shots, I will start low, tune, and go from there. If it can be done with Turbo, it can be done with nitrous. What I dont know is how much nitrous it would take.
turbo and nitrous are two different things, so i don't agree with your statement there. nitrous puts more stress and friction on your motor than turbo, so a well built turbo will outlast and outperform a well set up nitrous, period.
if you want to hit 12's in you prelude i suggest you go with a nice turbo.
i doubt you'll be able to do it with nitrous, and if you do it's not gonna last very long, believe you me.
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Re: Whats it take? (EG6JDMspec)
I have considered Turbo, but have heard about problems with tuning it all the time. Besides, whats a turbo gonna run me, at least 4 grand. I have heard of custom kits, but where can a person get those? Probably not that easy to find. Plus, if I was gonna go Turbo, I would want to go all out, so I am not upgrading every six months. A T04 or a T66, unless the T4/T3 would be sufficent. If I were gonna go Turbo, I would still run a standard NOS dry or wet kit, mainly for it ability to lower intake temperature, and to help spool up the Turbo. I need a ten second Lude, maybe Turbo is what it would take to get me there, but that means I gotta save up for a long while, longer than I want to wait. Maybe I will do some searching, further educate me on Turbo.
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Re: Whats it take? (EG6JDMspec)
if you want to hit 12's in you prelude i suggest you go with a nice turbo.
i doubt you'll be able to do it with nitrous, and if you do it's not gonna last very long, believe you me.
i doubt you'll be able to do it with nitrous, and if you do it's not gonna last very long, believe you me.
Toretto: You said that you had to have 10s in the lude. That's a very noble goal, but you are going to need an extreme set up to hit 10s. I'm guessing that you are like me and as long as you're fast "streetable" doesn't mean much. My concern is that if you do all of this research and put together a 10 second set up, that you are not going to have enough experience to diagnose potential problems. I think you should find a good bolt on kit and get accustomed to a turbo'd car, and then build it up to a 10 second car. I mean you don't see me doing a dual stage nitrous kit right away. I'm installing the DP kit first and then I'll troubleshoot running a 75 shot until I'm very comfortable with running nitrous.
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Re: Whats it take? (laughin2.2)
10's on juice? Hmmm... can be done, but not easily nor cheaply. You're gonna break a lot of stuff on the road. Easier to fork out the cash for a hairdryer and go that route.
I'm simply going to be happy with 12's on street tires. But right now I just want a car that runs.
I'm simply going to be happy with 12's on street tires. But right now I just want a car that runs.
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Re: Whats it take? (JG Luder)
10's on slicks, but thats kinda far away. When I talk about stuff, I dont want you guys to think I am going to do this overnight, or that I am even implying that I am going to get this done overnight. Nitrous is still an option, dont get me wrong, but I am starting to lean very heavily towards Turbo, the F-Max kit is the one I want. Nitrous would definately be the best way to get me into the 13's, but beyond that, I am not so sure. The plan is to save up for the Turbo kit, have it installed by a professional mechanic, and boost about 4-6psi, and up it for drag racing. This is the plan right now, if somthing else comes up, it may change.
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Re: Whats it take? (Toretto)
10's on slicks, but thats kinda far away. When I talk about stuff, I dont want you guys to think I am going to do this overnight, or that I am even implying that I am going to get this done overnight. Nitrous is still an option, dont get me wrong, but I am starting to lean very heavily towards Turbo, the F-Max kit is the one I want. Nitrous would definately be the best way to get me into the 13's, but beyond that, I am not so sure. The plan is to save up for the Turbo kit, have it installed by a professional mechanic, and boost about 4-6psi, and up it for drag racing. This is the plan right now, if somthing else comes up, it may change.
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Re: Whats it take? (w00t!)
Not sure yet, probably Miland drag strip up in Michigan. I have said this before, but I will say it again, my gaol is 10's, and for me, 10.9999 will do. Yes, it may be more of an 11 second car, but can dip into the 10's, goo enough for me. I am gonna be so poor for the next few months.
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Re: Whats it take? (laughin2.2)
if you want to hit 12's in you prelude i suggest you go with a nice turbo.
i doubt you'll be able to do it with nitrous, and if you do it's not gonna last very long, believe you me.
Now that's some funny BS.
Toretto: You said that you had to have 10s in the lude. That's a very noble goal, but you are going to need an extreme set up to hit 10s. I'm guessing that you are like me and as long as you're fast "streetable" doesn't mean much. My concern is that if you do all of this research and put together a 10 second set up, that you are not going to have enough experience to diagnose potential problems. I think you should find a good bolt on kit and get accustomed to a turbo'd car, and then build it up to a 10 second car. I mean you don't see me doing a dual stage nitrous kit right away. I'm installing the DP kit first and then I'll troubleshoot running a 75 shot until I'm very comfortable with running nitrous.
i doubt you'll be able to do it with nitrous, and if you do it's not gonna last very long, believe you me.
Now that's some funny BS.
Toretto: You said that you had to have 10s in the lude. That's a very noble goal, but you are going to need an extreme set up to hit 10s. I'm guessing that you are like me and as long as you're fast "streetable" doesn't mean much. My concern is that if you do all of this research and put together a 10 second set up, that you are not going to have enough experience to diagnose potential problems. I think you should find a good bolt on kit and get accustomed to a turbo'd car, and then build it up to a 10 second car. I mean you don't see me doing a dual stage nitrous kit right away. I'm installing the DP kit first and then I'll troubleshoot running a 75 shot until I'm very comfortable with running nitrous.
yes you can squeeze the hell ouf it, or boost the hell out of it, and yes it will be ok for a while, but after a while (and sooner than you think) things will go wrong.
yeah, lets all squeeze and have 12sec preludes..... yeeeaaaaa. sound's like a plan.
i'm gonna go buy my nitrous kit right now, i mean it's so easy, hook it up, spray as much as you can and you have a 12sec prelude!!!
now you tell me what was funny about what i said. i just suggested a turbo as opposed to nitrous, speaking from experience. i think about the reliability and long-run cost as well when i talk about boosting and squeezing. so what times are you hoping for with your 75shot anyway?
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