It looks like one or more of our driving crew from the Summit 12 Hours won't be able to make VIR in November, so we have at least one seat available.

This would be in the Golf that won ITB at both Summit '05 and VIR '04. Email me if you want more details but there's lots of info at...

http://www.it2.evaluand.com/gti

Kirk in Greensboro, NC

 

gotta have a SCCA license

I don't mind the membership part, but to get a license, I have to go through several hundred dollars of comp schools and required races, and I don't even have a SCCA legal car..

Kirk, I wish you luck, and would love to drive, but.. Sigh...

Sorry if I hijacked your tread already, just venting.

 

Like a Ferrari Daytona, this is highly recommended if you have the means. I thoroughly enjoyed last years race and the car is significantly better now than it was then.

A long enduro is a new animal. Everyone should try it at least once.

Scott, still waiting for Kirk to score the big sponsorship deal and the phone call that follows it

 

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I don't know that this is always such a big challenge. Have you tried contacting the competition director or license person in the region where you live, to ask if you can get reciprocity or "credit for time served" on a NASA license?

K

 

how much experience are you looking for?

Sebastien, who should have 1 2 hour enduro and 5 sprints under his belt by the time November rolls around...

 

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Wow, that is the first time I've ever heard driving a VW Golf compared to a Ferrari

 

PM sent.

 

IM sent.

 

PM's returned. If you want more details, it's probably best to email me so I can keep track of who said what, when.

Kirk the PM Dork

 

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Now Sam was nice enough to send you a PM while Allan indiscriminately sent you an IM - you sure you wanted to return BOTH with PM's?? That's mighty generous of you

Kiddin' Hey Kirkimo, if you have an idea, can you give me a picture of what your average consumables were for THIS particular race last year? Tires, pads, rotors and did you do a leakdown before and after on the motor? Also, what kind of expense is involved w/ the lighting and anything else 13 hr. specific. Oh and did you use two sets of radios for re-charging reasons or did you run a hard wired in-car unit? TIA and good luck getting a good team together. I even left some switches for some extry lights on V2. thus my interest.

You ball up your car, sit out a year or so and a this guy takes your damned number!

CJ, you might want to talk w/ the NCR folks and see if they are doing their VIR-N school this year. I don't know if you need a National license for the 13 hr (don't think so) so that means you are a double (or perhaps single w/ waiver) school and 2 races from being able to go.

 

Not to sound like a movie geek, but I think we're talking about a 250 GT California Spider, not a Daytona.

I too look forward to doing a long enduro , but I can't allow myself to drive a car that I can't afford to write off (= any car but mine since I'm broke!).

SCCA is pretty cool about reciprocity, I contacted them about my Quebec license and they said no problem.

 

...and Adam points it out to everyone that Kirk doesn't even know the difference between an IM and a PM. Sheesh.

We used most of the life of 8 shaved Toyos last year, about 90 gallons of fuel, ONE set of Hawk blues on the front (not all of them, actually), the corresponding set of front rotors, 1/4 pint of brake fluid, and 1/2 quart of oil.

We didn't do a leakdown on the engine because it's still the original unit that came with the car - and I'm afraid that if I dink with it, it will quit being 100% reliable.

I spent a lot on the light pod because that's just how I am sometimes - it would take about a grand to duplicate it but I got a deal on the carbon body. HID aux lights are getting less expensive so I'd look at that option if I did it again, but answers range from reasonable to expensive. Do plan on something that pops on quickly somehow, so they don't get smacked before you need them and are aimed when they go on.

We had battery radios which was kind of a weak link.

K

 

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That is a must - and also the connectors should go on like oem-style wiring clips.... probably need 2 of them for 4 lights, but makes things easy.

Leaving them on for the whole race isnt a great idea, it'll put quite a bit of drag on the front end and leaves them open for getting crunched before you need them.

 

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CJ, you might want to talk w/ the NCR folks and see if they are doing their VIR-N school this year. I don't know if you need a National license for the 13 hr (don't think so) so that means you are a double (or perhaps single w/ waiver) school and 2 races from being able to go.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I did the 13 hr last year on my novice permit.

I was in the tower after the 12hrs at the point and the stewards had several novice permits.

also, iirc, this year all licenses eligible for regional races listed in GCR are accepted for the 13hr, according to the supps. you do need to contact the chief steward before the race if my experience at the 12hr means anything. when I gave the registrar at the 12 hr my bmw cca license he had no idea that the gcr says I can race on it. rather than argue, I gave him my scca license.

that being said, you better really know your way around a track before you try and race it in the dark, even if you do have kirk's weapons grade headlights.

also, like i've said here before, if you have to deal with an issue with the scca (NCR or national) PICK UP THE PHONE AND GIVE THEM A CALL, dont email.


Modified by JoelG at 10:22 AM 6/28/2005

 

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SCCA doesn't recognize a NASA comp license... however... BMWCCA recognizes a NASA comp. lic..... and SCCA recognizes a BMWCCA lic.

we were planning on running the 13hr. last year as well (up until some bozo wrecked our car) i had my scca provisional still, but my buddy (car owner) called up the right people with scca, and they accepted his NASA credentials and issued him an scca provisional

 

Hey, Kirk, do I get veto power on which one of these bozos I gotta co-drive with?

Giles, you're in automatically. The rest of you rat b******s....? - GA

 

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I wish I could man.
I'd love to drive Kirks car again now that it doesn't suck so much .

Adam... I was amazed at how well we did on consumables. I think part of it was that every driver on the team had a "consistency is more important than burning down hot laps" mentality, but yeah, we could have easily ran quite a few more hours on the equipment we had.

Coming from the guy who closed out the race last year, lights are EXTREMELY important. There is damned near zero ambient light on the back 40 at VIR and it isn't hard to outrun your headlights.
That said, Kirk might have overdone things a bit. I didn't really NEED to be able to see the top of the esses when I came under the bridge, but it was a nice luxury to have. I may have been the only car in the last 2 hours that didn't drive off the track somewhere.

 

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Hey just because my nose is red...
Kirk you have PM/IM or something.

 

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Sorry, Seb - I missed this earlier! It's less about the actual number of hours or races and more about temperment. I've been EXTREMELY lucky to have great co-drivers for everything I've done in the Golf - Giles, Greg A., Phil Phillips, Jeff Lawton, Matt Graham, and Evan Webb - and the common denominator is that they were all SMART. Some were a little faster, some a little slower (I generally get to be the slowest) but they were all easy on equipment and didn't put the car in dumb places.

That's what I'm looking for.

Greg's all like it's HIS car now - just 'cause we let him quailify it - and Giles manages to muster a "doesn't suck so much," so I know we must be doing SOMETHING right.

As of today, Phil has confirmed that he wants to run VIR, as has Greg, and as the current "first team," they have a right of refusal that they can exercise. This leaves us with one confirmed slot open...

...and since I've now had a half-dozen inquiries, I need to explain that - among those qualified for the seat - it will really come down to who can make the commitment first, in the form of a deposit.

Now - is there enough interest that should I should see about getting Competition Cages started on caging the new shell that I am having towed to Cameron's shop tomorrow, sooner rather than later???

Kirk (who is probaby going to live to regret that last bit)

 

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We used most of the life of 8 shaved Toyos last year, about 90 gallons of fuel, ONE set of Hawk blues on the front (not all of them, actually), the corresponding set of front rotors, 1/4 pint of brake fluid, and 1/2 quart of oil.
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Haha, is there a difference man? I thought I was making a funny.

90 gal. of fuel from VIR's pumps? Eeeek! That's a number I hadn't even thought about. But I was hoping what you and Scott was saying was fact - that the wear at VIR would be very reasonable. Lighting would definately be another large cost item but I guess its somewhat a one time big hit (and you can reuse much of it). Maybe not so much this year as practical - too bad they schedule it so close to the ARRC

JoelG, a regional license I understand but I have to admit I am surprised they allow folks to race something like this on a novice permit. I am pretty sure the Moroso 24hr was National only but I might have my facts wrong (when I got my license, they commented that one reason to have a National was to run the Moroso 24hr).

 

From VIR's pumps? Good grief, man - no. It was from the quickie-mart in beautiful, downtown Milton, NC.

K

 

Cool deal, thanks. It's too early for me to know if I'll have the dineros to give to Pablo to run. Besides, I have only been to VIR once - the time I met you there.
Maybe next year...

 

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As I told you before..... spent $2000 to save 50 lbs

90 gallons aint too bad.... I think we burned well over 100 for the 12 @ summit between the test day and race days.

 

Ahhh yes, we had a WHOLE BUNCH of gas cans and made at least two trips to the BP out on the highway.

On Consumables - While it was obvious some teams didn't realize there is a difference in Sprint race and 13 Hour Enduro strategy, we did. At one point we were 2 laps down to the class leaders who were running a surprisingly stong pace for such a race. Then, not totally surprising to us, they lost 90 minutes changing a hub. Another team decided to run a HUGE fuel capacity and could run over 3 hours without a stop. Problem was that they were really really slow with 30 gallons of fuel in an ITB 2002 and they kept burning through brakes thanks to the extra weight (that fuel cell, full, had to weigh at least 275lbs). Add the other teams that broke or crashed, and the race was pretty much dropped in our laps.
We figured that if we ran consistently at 2:35ish/lap, with a sub 3 minute stop every 2 hours, and stay out of trouble, we could win. We were exactly right (Actually, we were so right its kind of scarey).
The albino turtle handed the hares their asses by a fairly substantial margin that day.

Also, as you all know I love me some Hoosier. But at the pace you run for a race like this I think Toyos do extremely well. We double stinted front tires (4 hours) and ran the same rears the entire 13. Simplified/Quicked pit stops, not to mention that the Toyos would have simplified the call had we had a brief or light rain.

 

I wish you could see the Hoosiers that we used at Summit. There's still a ton of life left in all of them - except the one I flat-spotted.

K