DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available
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DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available
Special Projects Motor Sports are pleased to announce that we are venturing further into the Rental Racer business…
We now have two extra cars available to rent to selected drivers for the SCCA Cal Club Honda Cup Championship event, coming up at Thunder Hill on July 8-10 2005
(SCCA License Required) and possibly the U.S.T.C.C. San Jose Grand Prix July 29-31 2005
*Note these cars both have (Honda Cup) Spec engines installed.
NASA Honda Challenge H1 legal engines can be installed, but we would require sufficient notice before an event.
These two B18C powered Civics’are not “Field fillers” These are immaculately prepared and presented, competitive racecars. $750.00 Per Day + Transportation. Delivered to and from the event with full trackside support.
Here’s your chance to go racing without the expense, and never ending hassle of building, maintaining, and transporting your own car.
Call Jeff (Kiwi) Owen 714 585 4233 or email kiwiowen@hotmail.com for details.
*Only approved, experienced, SCCA or NASA Drivers with full Competition Licenses need apply.
We now have two extra cars available to rent to selected drivers for the SCCA Cal Club Honda Cup Championship event, coming up at Thunder Hill on July 8-10 2005
(SCCA License Required) and possibly the U.S.T.C.C. San Jose Grand Prix July 29-31 2005
*Note these cars both have (Honda Cup) Spec engines installed.
NASA Honda Challenge H1 legal engines can be installed, but we would require sufficient notice before an event.
These two B18C powered Civics’are not “Field fillers” These are immaculately prepared and presented, competitive racecars. $750.00 Per Day + Transportation. Delivered to and from the event with full trackside support.
Here’s your chance to go racing without the expense, and never ending hassle of building, maintaining, and transporting your own car.
Call Jeff (Kiwi) Owen 714 585 4233 or email kiwiowen@hotmail.com for details.
*Only approved, experienced, SCCA or NASA Drivers with full Competition Licenses need apply.
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (KIWI)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KIWI »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... $750.00 Per Day + Transportation. Delivered to and from the event with full trackside support.
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$750 a day? Does that include gas, tires, brakes, consumables in general?
If so nice offer...
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$750 a day? Does that include gas, tires, brakes, consumables in general?
If so nice offer...
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (emwavey)
The car arrives at the track, tuned, setup, with a full tank of race gas.
Spec.Tires are the responsibility of the Renter. (235x40x17 Toyo or Hankook) If you want to use a different size you would have to supply your own wheels. The cars are Si Coupe - 4x100 and Civic Type R H/B- 5x 114 These Tires remain the property of the renter and can either be left on the car for the renters future use if the renter wants to do further events. Or they can be removed at the end of the event. Or depending on the condition, we will give a credit of up to 50% of the tires cost.
We can supply the car on used Spec Tires - that may have done 3 or 4 heat cycles that we consider safe to race on... However these may only be good for part of the event
All other Entry fees, Fuel, Track fees etc. Are the responsibilities of the renter.
Here is a covering note we provide with the rental agreement...
Dear Renter,
After reading our rental agreement, I’m sure you are going to have some concerns and questions? Here are some of the answers you are probably looking for…
Q1. Mechanical Responsibilities: Does this mean that if a shock blows or if the transmission falls out of the car while I'm leaving the pits I'm responsible? I don't fully understand what is meant by "mechanical".
A; Unfortunately when putting an agreement together its hard to cover the "Grey Areas"
Re: Above, No you would not be responsible...We're all Racers and we all know what abuse is ... All the "normal" annoying malfunctions that happen when racing we understand, and accept that they will happen. The engines and Transmissions in our cars are all well built, and maintained, as are the suspension and brake systems.
If for instance, you were heard constantly hitting the rev limiter... then Missed your shifts 3 times in one lap, and then succeeded in dropping a valve... I would call that abuse!
All we are really concerned about is blatant driver abuse. If during a rental period we are concerned that this was happening, we would talk to the Driver about it, let him know our concerns and encourage the driver to change his/her driving style to stop the abuse before any serious damage is done. We bring lots of spares to every event, and should a Shock blow out, or a Clutch blow up, or a CV Boot split or any routine malfunction occurs, we will make every effort to get you back into the next session, or race. If we can't, we'll give you a Credit for what’s left of the weekend. Or if you have enjoyed yourself so far, you can carry that over to another future event.
Q2. Mechanical condition: What if I’m racing and I notice a drop in oil pressure or a dramatic increase in oil or water temperature? Am I immediately responsible for a new head gasket or replacing a set of bearing shells etc?
A: Not necessarily, Before you take the car out onto the track you will be told what Rev limits, temperatures, or pressures you should work within. If you are a true racer, and you do notice a dramatic increase in water temp, or oil pressure loss, you will immediately switch the engine off, pull off the track or coast into the pits. Chances are no damage will have been done. However if you “push on” just to finish a race with the oil pressure gauge on “0” or the water and oil temp off the scale? We would not be happy.
Always notify us if you have any concerns, or if you notice anything unusual while you are driving the car.
Q3: Body Damage:
What happens if I get in a wreck and it was not my fault? What if another driver hits me or causes me to spin and damage the car?
A: Body Damage is a sticky one... In most Racecar rentals, once you drive the car onto the track... If an Elephant falls out of the sky and lands on the car... the Renter is responsible. If the Renter weren’t driving it, it would be safe in the shop. We obviously have to make sure we are covered on this one, but once again, we are not unreasonable, should there be an incident everything will be worked out amicably.
We expect our cars to win races! We don’t expect our 2 Team drivers, or our Renter drivers to be just field fillers! When you rent a car from us you are part of the “Special Projects Team”. We all work together to make sure we all do well... and above all, HAVE FUN!
SPECIAL PROJECTS MOTOR SPORTS
Spec.Tires are the responsibility of the Renter. (235x40x17 Toyo or Hankook) If you want to use a different size you would have to supply your own wheels. The cars are Si Coupe - 4x100 and Civic Type R H/B- 5x 114 These Tires remain the property of the renter and can either be left on the car for the renters future use if the renter wants to do further events. Or they can be removed at the end of the event. Or depending on the condition, we will give a credit of up to 50% of the tires cost.
We can supply the car on used Spec Tires - that may have done 3 or 4 heat cycles that we consider safe to race on... However these may only be good for part of the event
All other Entry fees, Fuel, Track fees etc. Are the responsibilities of the renter.
Here is a covering note we provide with the rental agreement...
Dear Renter,
After reading our rental agreement, I’m sure you are going to have some concerns and questions? Here are some of the answers you are probably looking for…
Q1. Mechanical Responsibilities: Does this mean that if a shock blows or if the transmission falls out of the car while I'm leaving the pits I'm responsible? I don't fully understand what is meant by "mechanical".
A; Unfortunately when putting an agreement together its hard to cover the "Grey Areas"
Re: Above, No you would not be responsible...We're all Racers and we all know what abuse is ... All the "normal" annoying malfunctions that happen when racing we understand, and accept that they will happen. The engines and Transmissions in our cars are all well built, and maintained, as are the suspension and brake systems.
If for instance, you were heard constantly hitting the rev limiter... then Missed your shifts 3 times in one lap, and then succeeded in dropping a valve... I would call that abuse!
All we are really concerned about is blatant driver abuse. If during a rental period we are concerned that this was happening, we would talk to the Driver about it, let him know our concerns and encourage the driver to change his/her driving style to stop the abuse before any serious damage is done. We bring lots of spares to every event, and should a Shock blow out, or a Clutch blow up, or a CV Boot split or any routine malfunction occurs, we will make every effort to get you back into the next session, or race. If we can't, we'll give you a Credit for what’s left of the weekend. Or if you have enjoyed yourself so far, you can carry that over to another future event.
Q2. Mechanical condition: What if I’m racing and I notice a drop in oil pressure or a dramatic increase in oil or water temperature? Am I immediately responsible for a new head gasket or replacing a set of bearing shells etc?
A: Not necessarily, Before you take the car out onto the track you will be told what Rev limits, temperatures, or pressures you should work within. If you are a true racer, and you do notice a dramatic increase in water temp, or oil pressure loss, you will immediately switch the engine off, pull off the track or coast into the pits. Chances are no damage will have been done. However if you “push on” just to finish a race with the oil pressure gauge on “0” or the water and oil temp off the scale? We would not be happy.
Always notify us if you have any concerns, or if you notice anything unusual while you are driving the car.
Q3: Body Damage:
What happens if I get in a wreck and it was not my fault? What if another driver hits me or causes me to spin and damage the car?
A: Body Damage is a sticky one... In most Racecar rentals, once you drive the car onto the track... If an Elephant falls out of the sky and lands on the car... the Renter is responsible. If the Renter weren’t driving it, it would be safe in the shop. We obviously have to make sure we are covered on this one, but once again, we are not unreasonable, should there be an incident everything will be worked out amicably.
We expect our cars to win races! We don’t expect our 2 Team drivers, or our Renter drivers to be just field fillers! When you rent a car from us you are part of the “Special Projects Team”. We all work together to make sure we all do well... and above all, HAVE FUN!
SPECIAL PROJECTS MOTOR SPORTS
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (KIWI)
^^^ I'm not a lawyer, but your rental agreement seems to offer you, as the car owner, little protection in the event of a mishap. I understand that you want to be customer friendly in the service you are offering, but in doing so, your agreement offers the customer several loopholes to escape from reimbursing you for damage, even if the customer is fully responsible for that damage.
In order to protect your business, you need to be a lot more specific than, "should there be an incident everything will be worked out amicably."
Andrew
In order to protect your business, you need to be a lot more specific than, "should there be an incident everything will be worked out amicably."
Andrew
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (stormy)
Thanks for posting the Pics Stormy... 
I can never do it!
By the way the Civic Si Coupe is now equipped with a New Far more efficient Intake system! And both cars are handling great! Both are now complete with adjustable Splitters and Air Dams. (Spares too)
Full Under trays and rear diffusers coming soon.
Kiwi
I can never do it!By the way the Civic Si Coupe is now equipped with a New Far more efficient Intake system! And both cars are handling great! Both are now complete with adjustable Splitters and Air Dams. (Spares too)
Full Under trays and rear diffusers coming soon.
Kiwi
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (aklucsarits)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aklucsarits »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^^
In order to protect your business, you need to be a lot more specific than, "should there be an incident everything will be worked out amicably."
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Thanks for your comments Andrew, duly noted and appreciated.
The letter I posted above, of course is not part of our contract which is pretty well Ironclad.
It is merely to let renters know the spirit of our intention. We would not be in the game long if we tried to screw the renter for every little malfunction that occurs while racing. We are also dealing with a fairly tight knit community of customers who will generally be known to us? and will be selected on their character, driving ability and experience, and of course their ability to take responsibility for the contract.
We apreciate all the comments and the response has been great!
Thanks,
Kiwi
In order to protect your business, you need to be a lot more specific than, "should there be an incident everything will be worked out amicably."
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Thanks for your comments Andrew, duly noted and appreciated.
The letter I posted above, of course is not part of our contract which is pretty well Ironclad.
It is merely to let renters know the spirit of our intention. We would not be in the game long if we tried to screw the renter for every little malfunction that occurs while racing. We are also dealing with a fairly tight knit community of customers who will generally be known to us? and will be selected on their character, driving ability and experience, and of course their ability to take responsibility for the contract.
We apreciate all the comments and the response has been great!
Thanks,
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (menkio)
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you can't be serious can you? do you even know what your talking about?
750 is a damn good deal
you can't be serious can you? do you even know what your talking about?
750 is a damn good deal
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (menkio)
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I know, I know... You're right. $750 that's crazy! I mean, it makes way more sense to go with a team like REALTIME and spend upwards of $12,000 PER RACE.
dude, if you know ANYTHING about racing and what it costs to just get on the track, let alone have a competitive car that kiwi rents, at only $750/day + gas & tires is incredibly cheap.
get a clue
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I know, I know... You're right. $750 that's crazy! I mean, it makes way more sense to go with a team like REALTIME and spend upwards of $12,000 PER RACE.
dude, if you know ANYTHING about racing and what it costs to just get on the track, let alone have a competitive car that kiwi rents, at only $750/day + gas & tires is incredibly cheap.
get a clue
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (menkio)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by menkio »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ouch, 750...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Spoken like someone that doesn't have a clue about racing. ...I mean "Road Racing" in a sanction venue.
Spoken like someone that doesn't have a clue about racing. ...I mean "Road Racing" in a sanction venue.
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (vtecjj)
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I know, I know... You're right. $750 that's crazy! I mean, it makes way more sense to go with a team like REALTIME and spend upwards of $12,000 PER RACE.
dude, if you know ANYTHING about racing and what it costs to just get on the track, let alone have a competitive car that kiwi rents, at only $750/day + gas & tires is incredibly cheap.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can't really compare a Speed WC car to a CalClub Honda Cup car. I'm sure the SWC car costs close to 10X the cost of the HC car. So at $750/day + gas and tires X10 the Realtime car is a steal AND you get to race in an SCCA National series with TV coverage.
I think this is probably a good idea tho, since nobody knows if this series will be around for long, and it would be a shame to sink money into something that you can't race anywhere in a couple years.
I know, I know... You're right. $750 that's crazy! I mean, it makes way more sense to go with a team like REALTIME and spend upwards of $12,000 PER RACE.
dude, if you know ANYTHING about racing and what it costs to just get on the track, let alone have a competitive car that kiwi rents, at only $750/day + gas & tires is incredibly cheap.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can't really compare a Speed WC car to a CalClub Honda Cup car. I'm sure the SWC car costs close to 10X the cost of the HC car. So at $750/day + gas and tires X10 the Realtime car is a steal AND you get to race in an SCCA National series with TV coverage.
I think this is probably a good idea tho, since nobody knows if this series will be around for long, and it would be a shame to sink money into something that you can't race anywhere in a couple years.
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (menkio)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by menkio »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ouch, 750...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Seeing that most local shops around ohio that rent out 80's Rx-7's, Neons, and Mazda's that are alot older, and around 800-900 this is a great deal
Seeing that most local shops around ohio that rent out 80's Rx-7's, Neons, and Mazda's that are alot older, and around 800-900 this is a great deal
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (nonsense)
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You can't really compare a Speed WC car to a CalClub Honda Cup car. I'm sure the SWC car costs close to 10X the cost of the HC car.
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Have you seen the rules for the the Honda's and Acura's in World Challenge? World Challenge Touring car rules for the Honda's and Acura's are very limited as to what engine mods are allowed. Whereas the Honda Cup rules give you more leniency as to what you can modify. For example, World Challenge Honda's and Acura's are limited to a maximum compression ratio. Honda Cup Car's have an unlimited compression ratio for their engines. Also minimum weights are A LOT lower for the Honda Cup Cars compared to the SPEED Touring Honda and Acura's.
So technically, Honda Cup Car's can be MORE modified than World Challenge Honda's and Acura's.
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So at $750/day + gas and tires X10 the Realtime car is a steal AND you get to race in an SCCA National series with TV coverage.
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The realtime car is a steal?! Most people don't have a budget like you do.
My point is at $750/day + tires, fuel, etc. compared to $12,000 a race for a realtime car-there's NO COMPARISON . Especially when you POTENTIALLY can go faster in a Honda Cup Car. Put it this way, you can legally race in the Honda Cup with a spec world challenge Honda or Acura, BUT a Honda Cup Car can NOT LEGALLY race in a world challenge race because of it's mods.
You're right, the big difference is that world challenge 1)is on tv, 2) has the car count and world class drivers 3) piggy backs ALMS at popular tracks which means higher entry fees ($1000/race) and a lot more spectators watching.
But according to some people- "$750, ouch"
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You can't really compare a Speed WC car to a CalClub Honda Cup car. I'm sure the SWC car costs close to 10X the cost of the HC car.
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Have you seen the rules for the the Honda's and Acura's in World Challenge? World Challenge Touring car rules for the Honda's and Acura's are very limited as to what engine mods are allowed. Whereas the Honda Cup rules give you more leniency as to what you can modify. For example, World Challenge Honda's and Acura's are limited to a maximum compression ratio. Honda Cup Car's have an unlimited compression ratio for their engines. Also minimum weights are A LOT lower for the Honda Cup Cars compared to the SPEED Touring Honda and Acura's.
So technically, Honda Cup Car's can be MORE modified than World Challenge Honda's and Acura's.
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So at $750/day + gas and tires X10 the Realtime car is a steal AND you get to race in an SCCA National series with TV coverage.
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The realtime car is a steal?! Most people don't have a budget like you do.
My point is at $750/day + tires, fuel, etc. compared to $12,000 a race for a realtime car-there's NO COMPARISON . Especially when you POTENTIALLY can go faster in a Honda Cup Car. Put it this way, you can legally race in the Honda Cup with a spec world challenge Honda or Acura, BUT a Honda Cup Car can NOT LEGALLY race in a world challenge race because of it's mods.
You're right, the big difference is that world challenge 1)is on tv, 2) has the car count and world class drivers 3) piggy backs ALMS at popular tracks which means higher entry fees ($1000/race) and a lot more spectators watching.
But according to some people- "$750, ouch"
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (Chris N)
Kiwi,
I know you think that you'll be okay because you are choosing people carefully in terms of who rents, but people are very different when money and business get involved. Trust me, I lost a person who I would have called one of my best friends by trying to do a business arrangement with them. You need to have a contract that pretty much details every contingency and assigns responsibility. The biggest problem that you will have is differentiating between driver error caused damage, and normal wear and tear. Have you considered installing data loggers in each car to track what the driver is doing? Connected to the ECU, you can not only review Gs and speed, but also driver inputs. Actually, you can include the data as part of the package to help your clients improve. The better their results, the more people who will want to rent the cars...
Matt
I know you think that you'll be okay because you are choosing people carefully in terms of who rents, but people are very different when money and business get involved. Trust me, I lost a person who I would have called one of my best friends by trying to do a business arrangement with them. You need to have a contract that pretty much details every contingency and assigns responsibility. The biggest problem that you will have is differentiating between driver error caused damage, and normal wear and tear. Have you considered installing data loggers in each car to track what the driver is doing? Connected to the ECU, you can not only review Gs and speed, but also driver inputs. Actually, you can include the data as part of the package to help your clients improve. The better their results, the more people who will want to rent the cars...
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (vtecjj)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecjj »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Have you seen the rules for the the Honda's and Acura's in World Challenge? World Challenge Touring car rules for the Honda's and Acura's are very limited as to what engine mods are allowed. Whereas the Honda Cup rules give you more leniency as to what you can modify. For example, World Challenge Honda's and Acura's are limited to a maximum compression ratio. Honda Cup Car's have an unlimited compression ratio for their engines. Also minimum weights are A LOT lower for the Honda Cup Cars compared to the SPEED Touring Honda and Acura's.
So technically, Honda Cup Car's can be MORE modified than World Challenge Honda's and Acura's.
The realtime car is a steal?! Most people don't have a budget like you do.
My point is at $750/day + tires, fuel, etc. compared to $12,000 a race for a realtime car-there's NO COMPARISON . Especially when you POTENTIALLY can go faster in a Honda Cup Car. Put it this way, you can legally race in the Honda Cup with a spec world challenge Honda or Acura, BUT a Honda Cup Car can NOT LEGALLY race in a world challenge race because of it's mods.
You're right, the big difference is that world challenge 1)is on tv, 2) has the car count and world class drivers 3) piggy backs ALMS at popular tracks which means higher entry fees ($1000/race) and a lot more spectators watching.
But according to some people- "$750, ouch"
jmeris
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The steal comment was a joke, hell I don't even have a budget for the $1500/race weekend ($750/day) Kiwi car.
Sure, maybe you could go faster in a HC car, and it will impress both the spectators whe are watching you, but you can't compare an apple to an orange to justify the price of apples.
All in all, $750/day is a pretty good deal for this type of car, but I still can't afford it.
Have you seen the rules for the the Honda's and Acura's in World Challenge? World Challenge Touring car rules for the Honda's and Acura's are very limited as to what engine mods are allowed. Whereas the Honda Cup rules give you more leniency as to what you can modify. For example, World Challenge Honda's and Acura's are limited to a maximum compression ratio. Honda Cup Car's have an unlimited compression ratio for their engines. Also minimum weights are A LOT lower for the Honda Cup Cars compared to the SPEED Touring Honda and Acura's.
So technically, Honda Cup Car's can be MORE modified than World Challenge Honda's and Acura's.
The realtime car is a steal?! Most people don't have a budget like you do.
My point is at $750/day + tires, fuel, etc. compared to $12,000 a race for a realtime car-there's NO COMPARISON . Especially when you POTENTIALLY can go faster in a Honda Cup Car. Put it this way, you can legally race in the Honda Cup with a spec world challenge Honda or Acura, BUT a Honda Cup Car can NOT LEGALLY race in a world challenge race because of it's mods.
You're right, the big difference is that world challenge 1)is on tv, 2) has the car count and world class drivers 3) piggy backs ALMS at popular tracks which means higher entry fees ($1000/race) and a lot more spectators watching.
But according to some people- "$750, ouch"
jmeris
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The steal comment was a joke, hell I don't even have a budget for the $1500/race weekend ($750/day) Kiwi car.
Sure, maybe you could go faster in a HC car, and it will impress both the spectators whe are watching you, but you can't compare an apple to an orange to justify the price of apples.
All in all, $750/day is a pretty good deal for this type of car, but I still can't afford it.
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (speedracer33)
It's great to see some new interest in this thread...
The interest has been great and at this point in time, the two cars are still available for suitable renters for the SGGP.
They are still available, because the potential renters that we have approved are still wrestling with the logistics of travel, sponsors, etc. The cost of the rentals for the weekend has been the least of their concerns.
I have just returned from the Third Championship round of Honda Cup at Thunder Hill ( Full report & Pics later) where I ran my #66 Integra, and Tom Lepper ran our#65 K-20 Integra. I obviously used this event as a cost study excercise, and I can assure everyone that Jonathan is correct... $750.00 per day to rent a competitive race car is Cheap!
By the way the engine and suspension development on these two Honda Cup cars would put most of the World Challenge cars of the same type that I have seen, to shame!
I appreciate the comments many of you have made re: Liability of the renter, responsibility for fair wear & tear etc. Our Agreement is pretty well Ironclad and we don't anticipate too many problems. There is a strong possibility that we might install Data Logging equipment in the rental cars in the future? I agree this could be good for us and to help our clients improve their performance.
We are fortunate that we rent these cars out because we can... Not because we must to survive! If we find suitable renters, the event will have two more competitive, great looking professionally built race cars... If we don't, The cars will remain safe in the Shop until next time! Were not in this for the money, but for the good of the sport.
Re: the comment someone made about spending a lot of money on cars that might not have a place to race in a couple of years? Honda Cup has had increases in entries at evert event. Where H1 has seen a marked decline in entries this year?
Should Honda Cup fall on it's ***? Which I very much doubt, we can always run in ITE or go back to H1? Perhaps NASA Honda Challenge will some day follow the NASA/USTCC initiative of allowing sensible engine internals?
However, we do have spare H1 Legal Engines, that we would install for Honda Challenge Events if required.
Seriously though, I cannot see how anyone who knows what they are talking about, can possibly doubt that this is the cheapest way to go racing in a car that is prepared to a standard that most racers would be proud to call their own.
Kiwi
The interest has been great and at this point in time, the two cars are still available for suitable renters for the SGGP.
They are still available, because the potential renters that we have approved are still wrestling with the logistics of travel, sponsors, etc. The cost of the rentals for the weekend has been the least of their concerns.
I have just returned from the Third Championship round of Honda Cup at Thunder Hill ( Full report & Pics later) where I ran my #66 Integra, and Tom Lepper ran our#65 K-20 Integra. I obviously used this event as a cost study excercise, and I can assure everyone that Jonathan is correct... $750.00 per day to rent a competitive race car is Cheap!
By the way the engine and suspension development on these two Honda Cup cars would put most of the World Challenge cars of the same type that I have seen, to shame!
I appreciate the comments many of you have made re: Liability of the renter, responsibility for fair wear & tear etc. Our Agreement is pretty well Ironclad and we don't anticipate too many problems. There is a strong possibility that we might install Data Logging equipment in the rental cars in the future? I agree this could be good for us and to help our clients improve their performance.
We are fortunate that we rent these cars out because we can... Not because we must to survive! If we find suitable renters, the event will have two more competitive, great looking professionally built race cars... If we don't, The cars will remain safe in the Shop until next time! Were not in this for the money, but for the good of the sport.
Re: the comment someone made about spending a lot of money on cars that might not have a place to race in a couple of years? Honda Cup has had increases in entries at evert event. Where H1 has seen a marked decline in entries this year?
Should Honda Cup fall on it's ***? Which I very much doubt, we can always run in ITE or go back to H1? Perhaps NASA Honda Challenge will some day follow the NASA/USTCC initiative of allowing sensible engine internals?
However, we do have spare H1 Legal Engines, that we would install for Honda Challenge Events if required.
Seriously though, I cannot see how anyone who knows what they are talking about, can possibly doubt that this is the cheapest way to go racing in a car that is prepared to a standard that most racers would be proud to call their own.
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (KIWI)
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Should Honda Cup fall on it's ***? Which I very much doubt, we can always run in ITE or go back to H1? Perhaps NASA Honda Challenge will some day follow the NASA/USTCC initiative of allowing sensible engine internals?
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...and after I offer the olive branch and try to help you out with a nice suggestion, Kiwi the Wonder Schmuck returns with a jack *** statement about Honda Challenge. Tell you what Kiwi, why don't you make a list of everything that you want to do to your car, and we'll just make that the rule book. Sound good?
Should Honda Cup fall on it's ***? Which I very much doubt, we can always run in ITE or go back to H1? Perhaps NASA Honda Challenge will some day follow the NASA/USTCC initiative of allowing sensible engine internals?
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...and after I offer the olive branch and try to help you out with a nice suggestion, Kiwi the Wonder Schmuck returns with a jack *** statement about Honda Challenge. Tell you what Kiwi, why don't you make a list of everything that you want to do to your car, and we'll just make that the rule book. Sound good?
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Re: DRIVERS WANTED… Rental Seats available (speedracer33)
Matt, Your Olive Branch was greatfully accepted! And your suggestion noted. Thank you.
Perhaps I should have added
after my comment, which was in reply to this touch of sacasm....
[QUOTE=I think this is probably a good idea tho, since nobody knows if this series will be around for long, and it would be a shame to sink money into something that you can't race anywhere in a couple years.
/QUOTE]
Don't be so sensitive Speedracer33... I've already stated that we are prepared to stick our necks out and offer to instal Legal H1 engines for those who want to run H1... What more do you want?
Hell, they'll even have the safety pins still intact!
Kiwi
Modified by KIWI at 3:46 PM 7/11/2005
Perhaps I should have added
after my comment, which was in reply to this touch of sacasm....[QUOTE=I think this is probably a good idea tho, since nobody knows if this series will be around for long, and it would be a shame to sink money into something that you can't race anywhere in a couple years.
/QUOTE]
Don't be so sensitive Speedracer33... I've already stated that we are prepared to stick our necks out and offer to instal Legal H1 engines for those who want to run H1... What more do you want?
Hell, they'll even have the safety pins still intact! Kiwi
Modified by KIWI at 3:46 PM 7/11/2005