Ok I am building a b16 block, and I am trying to get the biggest displacement possible. I know it is better to just get b18 block, but I have a reason in building the b16, so just stick with that.

My original plan was to use my LS crank with Pauter/Manley LS rods. Now my questions are:

+ Who makes custom pistons to work in these type setups?
+ Where can you get them from and what is the approximate cost?
+ How reliable is this setup for a high horsepower setup (fully built block, fully built and ported head, with gt35r turbo set up)?
+ What are my revving limitations?

I know people have talked about this, but none of the information I have ever heard really answers my questions. And now I am somewhat in a hurry cause I need to send my block off ASAP, and if something is going to be custom then I may have to wait on that.

Thanks in advance!
~Jason

 

I am sure there are some others wondering the same thing.

 

if you want to use ls crank and rods pm TOM J from arias i think they stock the 84mm bore fi. tech43 stroker kit uses the ls crank and rod but there pistons are high compression and they sold for around 585.

 

tech43 can get teh pistons in low compression as well. I believe exospeed also offers a similar package....Personally i'd rather run a 84mm stock stroke b16 and spin it really high

 

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I dont know. After TurboSi03's stroked B16a I would really like todo a 92mm B16a some time



That's at 13.7lbs of boost with a blown head gasket and sleeves sinking.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 0x64 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont know. After TurboSi03's stroked B16a I would really like todo a 92mm B16a some time



That's at 13.7lbs of boost with a blown head gasket and sleeves sinking.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not hating by any measure but ive dyno'ed cars on that same dyno and then on a dynojet and they read about 20whp less on a dynojet...they tq is always funny on that dyno too

 

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And how many of those motors are living on the street?

Better yet, how many of those motors and living on the street with the tiny wrist pin and high horsepower turbo setups?

If you want an LS crank in a B16 block run B16 rods. I absolutely under no circumstances would run LS crank/LS rods in a B16 block street motor, not a chance. And I'm gonna go out there and say it. What are your "reasons" for wanting to stay with a B16? If you really want to stay B16 block with LS crank and LS pistons, the only way I'd do that is with a deckplate block, like from ERL.

A 92mm B16 is just getting rediculous. Honda didn't add .2" of deck height for the B-series motors for novelty, it's so they'll actually last on the street. I don't think you'd get 6K out of a 92mm stroked stock deck B16, with a stock length LS rod you're sitting at a rediculous 0.7" compression height piston. Several people have reported heavy oil useage on the Tech43 LS crank motors after 5K miles, nevermind a 92mm crank. Heck, that might actually be impossible with that rod length because it might be nearing the actual compression ring.

 

I think I would just keep the stock stroke, throw some cp's and pauters in the block n spin that bitch to 10g's.

 

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I agree, I heard it works!

 

**** all that... yeah thats my dyno from when I had a **** block with sunk sleeves...

dude, I would totaly build another stroked setup! I mean don't get me wrong I love my new stock stroke setup, BUT... I honestly miss that sick low end pull... I didn't need to downshift nearly as much as now...

do it right, go tall deck

 

Stock stroke B16A here

 

haha, i love the dyno sheet "breastfed"

 

Thanks the replies. The reason I am going to go with a b16, is I have a free freshly sleeved one by Golden Eagle. Don't worry about how its free, but it is. So its kind of a waste to throw it a way for a tall deck by Dart or ERL's deckplate. Originally I was going to do an ERL setup, but as they say, don't look a gift horse in the mouth... and why should I, 600+ hp has been acheived on stock stroked b16's, I am just trying to see if their is a decent worthwhile way of getting more torgue and low end power out of my b16..

I am just seeing peoples opinions. Cause I would much rather have a 1973cc motor, than 17XX cc with a stock stroke, HOWEVER if it is really that much more reliable with stock stroke, then stoke stroke I will keep.

Also someone was mentioning a 92mm crank... I was speaking of using an LS crank which makes the stroke 89mm, not saying you didn't know what your talking bout, I just think you misunderstood what I was saying.

Thanks for all the opinions. Keep them coming, hopefully this will help others as well.

 

why not just keep the stock stroke and run it 84mm, many people have made huge power on this set up with out having to go to a taller crank.

with the proper, valvetrain, cams, and the properly matched turbo, and around 9k or 10k rpms, crazy power cam be achieved. it just has to be set up properly

i have a B16 turbo in my hatch and i love it, the only other turbo motor i had was a sohc before in the hatch so of course from the sohc to the dohc it seems ferocious.

but from my supercharged cobra to my dohc turbo, i hate the lack of torque!

 

its not a matter of weather or not you can make power... yeah thats awesome with the 675whp... but look where his power band starts and look how far off the tq is compared to the hp #'s now go back up and look at my old graph and notice the 344whp, and 325ft/tq... those numbers are a lot closer to each other...

this is about area under the curve, which is what you want for the streets.

but for the record my new setup is 84mm bore stock stroke b16...

 

why not find a b17 crank and do what honda did stroke it to a 1.7, then you have your "stroker" and you have honda reliability

 

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Because b17 cranks aren't the easiest to find. I currently have a b16 crank, LS crank, and a GSR crank in my garage, so it would be easier to use those where only custom rods or pistons are need to seal the deal.

I know power can be made on b16's, and this is not my first turbo setup, its actually my 4th and I have already had a b16 84.5mm in my car, so I know what its like to. I am just looking for opinions on stroking it only.

 

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Because b17 cranks aren't the easiest to find. I currently have a b16 crank, LS crank, and a GSR crank in my garage, so it would be easier to use those where only custom rods or pistons are need to seal the deal.

I know power can be made on b16's, and this is not my first turbo setup, its actually my 4th and I have already had a b16 84.5mm in my car, so I know what its like to. I am just looking for opinions on stroking it only. </TD></TR></TABLE>

so sell all those cranks and buy a b17 crank, aftermarket rods and be done with it, screw custom pistons that your oiling rings are going to be on top of your wrist pin

 

lol....where u gettin all these parts?

 

well then, time for a stroker motor

my setup I used LS crank, b16 rods, and custom JE pistons (that are now ashtrays) with wrist pin cutting into the oil rings (higher up the piston then stock location)... I think it would have been a solid setup if the sleeves didn't move (poor sleeve job)...

on my setup I could have reved to 8krpm no problem, but I wouldnt go past that... if you keep wrist pin location normal, and get a deck plate welded on instead you'll have the same rod ratio if you want to rev it out... I dont know what else is involved in a deck plate but my old method was simple, and you can get it running with only ordering a set of custom pistons.

oh and the JE's ran I think around $700...

reliability should be the same as any other built motor...

only other thing you need to do is notch the block at the bottom of your sleeves to clear the rods. it can be done with a dremal.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by m R g S r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol....where u gettin all these parts?

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Old motors. Cousins motors. Blown motors. Over the years I have created a collection of parts, some nice and some junk.

Well there isn't enough positive information about the 1.9/2.0L b16 setup so I think I will just stick with my stock crank and rev it to 9.5k-10k. This was my original plan before choosing the ERL block, but I figure if I could get 1.9 or a 2.0L out of my lil ole b16... why not. OH WELL. Time to order pistons and send my block off.

 

700$ for pistons.
That answers your question right there.

If you want more low end tq, just sell the b16 block
Whats the bore on this b16 anyway?

 

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I agree, I heard it works! </TD></TR></TABLE>

What cams do you run and what are your gears set at?

 

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What cams do you run and what are your gears set at?</TD></TR></TABLE>

96 Spec ITR cams and B16A 4.40 FD , if you mean Cam gears straight up never touched them

 

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Who tuned your car? Do you carry CP pistons?