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OT: Another corner worker killed
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http://speedtv.com/articles/rally/auto/17744/
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http://speedtv.com/articles/rally/auto/17744/
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I hate to sound so obtuse but, when you volunteer yourself to go out in the middle of a corner on a race track where people are trying to push their vehicles to their limits.....something is bound to happen from time to time. Especailly in SCCA events because they let almost anybody on track.......thankfully but unfortunately sometimes.
Theworkers at such events assume the risk of what can happen and still remain to do so. It is just the risk of the hobby/job.
Theworkers at such events assume the risk of what can happen and still remain to do so. It is just the risk of the hobby/job.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DirtySol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hate to sound so obtuse but, when you volunteer yourself to go out in the middle of a corner on a race track where people are trying to push their vehicles to their limits.....something is bound to happen from time to time. Especailly in SCCA events because they let almost anybody on track.......thankfully but unfortunately sometimes.
Theworkers at such events assume the risk of what can happen and still remain to do so. It is just the risk of the hobby/job.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Theworkers at such events assume the risk of what can happen and still remain to do so. It is just the risk of the hobby/job.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DirtySol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Theworkers at such events assume the risk of what can happen and still remain to do so. It is just the risk of the hobby/job.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Still dude, that ******* sucks.
Am I naive, or is this happening more often recently? Two this year so far?
Rest in peace..
*tear*
Chris
Still dude, that ******* sucks.
Am I naive, or is this happening more often recently? Two this year so far?
Rest in peace..
*tear*
Chris
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Google news finds:
http://news.google.com/news?q=...ab=wn
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_2815453
Colorado Springs - A race official was killed during the first practice session for the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb, according to race director Phil Layton.
The accident occurred this morning, around 8:15 a.m.
The official was a flagman, identified as Henry J. Bresciani, 67, of Colorado Springs.
The car was a Newman-Dragger Open Wheel Mini Sprint, driven by Jay Stewart of Peyton, Colorado. Stewart was not injured. The El Paso County Sheriff's Office did not believe Stewart would be charged with any crime.
The collision occurred near the finish line, close to the summit.
The race begins on Saturday, with about 150 racers expected.
“We extend our deepest sympathy to the family of our friend and colleague, and we will offer whatever assistance we can to make this difficult time easier,” Mike Cimino, chairman of the race's board of directors, said in a statement.
The board decided to continue the race but to “pay specific attention” to safety procedures to ensure drivers, spectators and others attending the race remain safe, Cimino said.
At least four people have died in the race's 83-year history.
Racer Chandler Bruning was killed in 2001 when his car shot off an embankment during a qualifying run.
A driver died of injuries in 1921, and a motorcycle racer died in 1982.
The race climbs nearly 5,000 feet in 10 miles, ending at 14,110 feet above sea level near the summit of Pikes Peak. First run in 1916, the race is the second-oldest motor sports event in the country, after the Indianapolis 500.
http://news.google.com/news?q=...ab=wn
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_2815453
Colorado Springs - A race official was killed during the first practice session for the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb, according to race director Phil Layton.
The accident occurred this morning, around 8:15 a.m.
The official was a flagman, identified as Henry J. Bresciani, 67, of Colorado Springs.
The car was a Newman-Dragger Open Wheel Mini Sprint, driven by Jay Stewart of Peyton, Colorado. Stewart was not injured. The El Paso County Sheriff's Office did not believe Stewart would be charged with any crime.
The collision occurred near the finish line, close to the summit.
The race begins on Saturday, with about 150 racers expected.
“We extend our deepest sympathy to the family of our friend and colleague, and we will offer whatever assistance we can to make this difficult time easier,” Mike Cimino, chairman of the race's board of directors, said in a statement.
The board decided to continue the race but to “pay specific attention” to safety procedures to ensure drivers, spectators and others attending the race remain safe, Cimino said.
At least four people have died in the race's 83-year history.
Racer Chandler Bruning was killed in 2001 when his car shot off an embankment during a qualifying run.
A driver died of injuries in 1921, and a motorcycle racer died in 1982.
The race climbs nearly 5,000 feet in 10 miles, ending at 14,110 feet above sea level near the summit of Pikes Peak. First run in 1916, the race is the second-oldest motor sports event in the country, after the Indianapolis 500.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DirtySol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hate to sound so obtuse but, when you volunteer yourself to go out in the middle of a corner on a race track where people are trying to push their vehicles to their limits.....something is bound to happen from time to time. Especailly in SCCA events because they let almost anybody on track.......thankfully but unfortunately sometimes.
Theworkers at such events assume the risk of what can happen and still remain to do so. It is just the risk of the hobby/job.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Way to point that out captain obvious.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike C »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i'm done corner working for good.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hopefully other corner workers wont have this mentality though, they volunteer to go out there and keep the drivers safe and there should be more appriciation for them.
The one time I corner worked one of the race groups were getting together and throwing a party afterwards and invited all the cornerworkers at the track, that was very cool.
Theworkers at such events assume the risk of what can happen and still remain to do so. It is just the risk of the hobby/job.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Way to point that out captain obvious.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike C »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i'm done corner working for good.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hopefully other corner workers wont have this mentality though, they volunteer to go out there and keep the drivers safe and there should be more appriciation for them.
The one time I corner worked one of the race groups were getting together and throwing a party afterwards and invited all the cornerworkers at the track, that was very cool.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DirtySol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hate to sound so obtuse but, when you volunteer yourself to go out in the middle of a corner on a race track where people are trying to push their vehicles to their limits.....something is bound to happen from time to time. Especailly in SCCA events because they let almost anybody on track.......thankfully but unfortunately sometimes.
Theworkers at such events assume the risk of what can happen and still remain to do so. It is just the risk of the hobby/job.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What do you mean "especially in scca events because they let almost anybody on track?" Do you mean workers? Because that is not true. New corner workers are put with experienced corner workers for mentoring/training. Do you mean drivers? Because in club racing you have to complete driver's school and who they let on track is no less than most other sanctioning bodies that road race. Remember at SCCA club races the corner workers are not their because it is their "job". I don't make money corner working. I lose money corner working. It is not my hobby either but for some yes. I do it about four to six days a year to help other regions be able to put on events or to fulfill arrangements with tracks (like Petit Le Mans/Speed World Challenge). At the club races I have worked the SCCA corner working protocol and safety is the absolute best.
Can you still get hurt and killed? Yes there is a small chance of that. Yes I assume that risk but I am very vigilant and follow the protocols so that if I am not facing traffic (yellow flagging) my blue flagger is and is within reach of me to pull me out of the way of harm. Dirty Sol have you ever flagged a corner?
I am not sure being "obtuse" is appropriate when the death of a flagman is being announced in a thread.
Barry H.
Theworkers at such events assume the risk of what can happen and still remain to do so. It is just the risk of the hobby/job.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What do you mean "especially in scca events because they let almost anybody on track?" Do you mean workers? Because that is not true. New corner workers are put with experienced corner workers for mentoring/training. Do you mean drivers? Because in club racing you have to complete driver's school and who they let on track is no less than most other sanctioning bodies that road race. Remember at SCCA club races the corner workers are not their because it is their "job". I don't make money corner working. I lose money corner working. It is not my hobby either but for some yes. I do it about four to six days a year to help other regions be able to put on events or to fulfill arrangements with tracks (like Petit Le Mans/Speed World Challenge). At the club races I have worked the SCCA corner working protocol and safety is the absolute best.
Can you still get hurt and killed? Yes there is a small chance of that. Yes I assume that risk but I am very vigilant and follow the protocols so that if I am not facing traffic (yellow flagging) my blue flagger is and is within reach of me to pull me out of the way of harm. Dirty Sol have you ever flagged a corner?
I am not sure being "obtuse" is appropriate when the death of a flagman is being announced in a thread.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KOALA YUMMIES »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there should be more appriciation for them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
amen, but there isn't. the potential cost simply outweighs the benefit IMO. perhaps i've grown up and began to rationalize better, i don't know, but i do know i will be very reluctant to ever hop out on a corner again.
amen, but there isn't. the potential cost simply outweighs the benefit IMO. perhaps i've grown up and began to rationalize better, i don't know, but i do know i will be very reluctant to ever hop out on a corner again.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike C »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
amen, but there isn't. the potential cost simply outweighs the benefit IMO. perhaps i've grown up and began to rationalize better, i don't know, but i do know i will be very reluctant to ever hop out on a corner again.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its always hot, you always get sunburn... if you dont... you come in for the day soaked to your bones. What i can say is, there are very few corner stations i feel at risk at summit main, VIR... but those are the only two courses i've corner worked.
I dont work out there on the corners anymore. But if i was asked i would go do it. You have to have people out there so you can play safe... but they have to use their head and pay attention
amen, but there isn't. the potential cost simply outweighs the benefit IMO. perhaps i've grown up and began to rationalize better, i don't know, but i do know i will be very reluctant to ever hop out on a corner again.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its always hot, you always get sunburn... if you dont... you come in for the day soaked to your bones. What i can say is, there are very few corner stations i feel at risk at summit main, VIR... but those are the only two courses i've corner worked.
I dont work out there on the corners anymore. But if i was asked i would go do it. You have to have people out there so you can play safe... but they have to use their head and pay attention
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DirtySol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hate to sound so obtuse but, when you volunteer yourself to go out in the middle of a corner on a race track where people are trying to push their vehicles to their limits.....something is bound to happen from time to time. Especailly in SCCA events because they let almost anybody on track.......thankfully but unfortunately sometimes.
Theworkers at such events assume the risk of what can happen and still remain to do so. It is just the risk of the hobby/job.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That is kind of a **** poor attitude/point of view to have really. Do you carry the same thoughts about members of our Armed Forces? They joined up knowing the risks and dangers as well, all things considered by no means should not keep thier familes in your thoughts.
Corner workers deserve your respect and appreciation nothing less.
Theworkers at such events assume the risk of what can happen and still remain to do so. It is just the risk of the hobby/job.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That is kind of a **** poor attitude/point of view to have really. Do you carry the same thoughts about members of our Armed Forces? They joined up knowing the risks and dangers as well, all things considered by no means should not keep thier familes in your thoughts.
Corner workers deserve your respect and appreciation nothing less.
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Mike puhlease In the past 5 years there may have been 3 to 5 cornerworker deaths that I know of in all of the United States. That means out of hundreds of events, thousands of cars, and hundreds of thousands of opportunities for something to go wrong, someone has only been killed 3 to 5 times. Do you know anyone who has even been injured cornerworking? I bet that you know of several people who have been killed in car accidents on the street.
In all of the time I've worked corners there was only 1 time where I truly felt at risk and that was at a track that didn't really have corner stations (Lowe's).
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Especailly in SCCA events because they let almost anybody on track.......thankfully but unfortunately sometimes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I too would like to know WTH you are talking about.
In the past 5 years there may have been 3 to 5 cornerworker deaths that I know of in all of the United States. That means out of hundreds of events, thousands of cars, and hundreds of thousands of opportunities for something to go wrong, someone has only been killed 3 to 5 times. Do you know anyone who has even been injured cornerworking? I bet that you know of several people who have been killed in car accidents on the street.In all of the time I've worked corners there was only 1 time where I truly felt at risk and that was at a track that didn't really have corner stations (Lowe's).
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Especailly in SCCA events because they let almost anybody on track.......thankfully but unfortunately sometimes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I too would like to know WTH you are talking about.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JMU R1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mike puhlease </TD></TR></TABLE>
Everyone is free to make their own decisions, I simply voiced mine publicly.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Everyone is free to make their own decisions, I simply voiced mine publicly.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike C »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Everyone is free to make their own decisions, I simply voiced mine publicly.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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