turbo questions
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turbo questions
i have a 1987 honda prelude with about 150k miles and i dont think its fast enough so tomorrow i'm goin to the junk yard to get a stock turbocharger from some car most likely from an eclipse or a dsm. i'm an expert when it comes to afro-engineering so hooking it up wont really be a problem but i've never done anything lke this and was wondering if i'll have any problems once its all hooked up...like with the air fuel ratios being messed up and not running right. i know that i'll probably need to replace the rings and such within the next 30k miles but thats alright i wouldnt mind rebuilding the whole thing. so anybody got any input??
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First of all, DSM's includes eclipses, talons, and lasers (which rule all).
As far as "bolting on" a turbo, good luck. You need a turbo manifold, new intake/exhaust system (including a BOV and IC setup). Assuming you get all that together, you'll probably melt you're engine seeing as its not built for a turbo from the factory and your A/F will be WAAAY off.
Good luck though, hope it works out.
As far as "bolting on" a turbo, good luck. You need a turbo manifold, new intake/exhaust system (including a BOV and IC setup). Assuming you get all that together, you'll probably melt you're engine seeing as its not built for a turbo from the factory and your A/F will be WAAAY off.
Good luck though, hope it works out.
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first of all, what does IC mean..intercooler or innercooler maybe?? and do you know how much boost a stock turbo on a i4 usually has? and is there any way i can correct the a/f ratio? i think i'll still get the turbo anyways becuase it would kick *** if it actually did work.
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whoa...you've got a LOT to learn before you try to turbo a car.
IC=intercooler, usually that big radiator looking thing in the front of the car. makes for a cooler intake charge
a/f can be corrected by fuel management hardware and the proper tuning by someone with atleast an idea of whats going on.
And the question which shows you need to read more is the "how much boost a stock turbo on a i4 has". On stock DSM's, its around 10. Before I pulled the motor, i crank'd it up to 15lbs on a 16g although I prolly coulda got away with 18 if i'da spent time to tune the damn thing. That same amount of boost would likely destroy every stock Honda motor in a short period of time though.
Before you do anything else, read. Lots.
IC=intercooler, usually that big radiator looking thing in the front of the car. makes for a cooler intake charge
a/f can be corrected by fuel management hardware and the proper tuning by someone with atleast an idea of whats going on.
And the question which shows you need to read more is the "how much boost a stock turbo on a i4 has". On stock DSM's, its around 10. Before I pulled the motor, i crank'd it up to 15lbs on a 16g although I prolly coulda got away with 18 if i'da spent time to tune the damn thing. That same amount of boost would likely destroy every stock Honda motor in a short period of time though.
Before you do anything else, read. Lots.
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Re: (Saiyansniper)
yea i dont think i'll use an intercooler i'll just buy some aftermarket cold air intake and hook that up. i got a turbo from i think a pontiac sunbird 2.0 L for 50 bucks. its remanufactured and is in great condition with no end play. so i cant imagine it would have over 10lbs boost which will make tuning it easier hopefully. but how exactly do you tune a fuel injected engine? or could u refer me to a site or something that explains how to do it. do you have to buy a different ecu or chip to put it in in order to be able to tune it first? thanx
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first of all man, a cold air won't help intake charge temp at all.. the air that comes thru the CAI will still have to pass thru the extremely hot housing of the turbo, so if u do choose to go w/o a intercooler, u will seriously prolly get like 10-25 whp out of the turbo... so its almost pointless. plus the cost for a manifold, and wastegate, and all the fuel management stuff.. u cant just slap on a turbo, and expect it to run.... 
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[QUOTE=Saiyansniper]And the question which shows you need to read more is the "how much boost a stock turbo on a i4 has". On stock DSM's, its around 10. Before I pulled the motor, i crank'd it up to 15lbs on a 16g although I prolly coulda got away with 18 if i'da spent time to tune the damn thing. That same amount of boost would likely destroy every stock Honda motor in a short period of time though.[QUOTE]
Yeah and half that ammount of boost on a stock Honda motor would destroy any DSM. 8psi on my stock Honda motor, I was taking 20g awd's all day. I would rather push my honda than own a DSM. Props to the guys who know what they are doing and respect others, no props to all the douch-bags with a 1'st gen and a 16'g that think they are the ****. Get off here if you are gonna be ignorant.
Yeah and half that ammount of boost on a stock Honda motor would destroy any DSM. 8psi on my stock Honda motor, I was taking 20g awd's all day. I would rather push my honda than own a DSM. Props to the guys who know what they are doing and respect others, no props to all the douch-bags with a 1'st gen and a 16'g that think they are the ****. Get off here if you are gonna be ignorant.
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Re: (Saiyansniper)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Saiyansniper »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Before I pulled the motor, i crank'd it up to 15lbs on a 16g although I prolly coulda got away with 18 if i'da spent time to tune the damn thing. That same amount of boost would likely destroy every stock Honda motor in a short period of time though.
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Whoa, who the **** are you?
First of all, that is a tiny *** turbo, I could have run a dsm 14b and ran 10psi on a stock block fine, its just a shitting turbo that spools to fast. Secondly, that same amount of boost with good tuning would crush any dsm out there. Ask firedrake, he ran a hybrid turbo at 12psi and made 379whp on a stock block.
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Whoa, who the **** are you?
First of all, that is a tiny *** turbo, I could have run a dsm 14b and ran 10psi on a stock block fine, its just a shitting turbo that spools to fast. Secondly, that same amount of boost with good tuning would crush any dsm out there. Ask firedrake, he ran a hybrid turbo at 12psi and made 379whp on a stock block.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Saiyansniper »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First of all, DSM's includes eclipses, talons, and lasers (which rule all).
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Yea that's when they're not getting towed due to the fact that they breakdown all the time.
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Yea that's when they're not getting towed due to the fact that they breakdown all the time.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Yeah and half that ammount of boost on a stock Honda motor would destroy any DSM. 8psi on my stock Honda motor, I was taking 20g awd's all day. I would rather push my honda than own a DSM. Props to the guys who know what they are doing and respect others, no props to all the douch-bags with a 1'st gen and a 16'g that think they are the ****. Get off here if you are gonna be ignorant.
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WTF are you talking about? A well built 20g car can pull 10's, and you were blowing that away? Damn, that 9sec stock block Honda is amazing.
Realistically, how many mid-low 13 second lude's are on here? Before the motor came out of my DSM, a low-mid 13 sec. pass on pump gas was easy and that's not ****. Stock turbo manny, decent tune, 15psi, 2.5exh with stock muffler and o2 housing on the 16g, which you correctly pointed out really isn't **** either. So with a stock longblock, mild turbo upgrade, mild exhaust upgrade, 550's + safc I beat over half of the cars here and I'm ignorant for that. Big words coming from a guy that put 8psi (i'm guessing from some t3/t4) and pwnnzzoorr cars that should be seeing ATLEAST 12's
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> First of all, that is a tiny *** turbo, I could have run a dsm 14b and ran 10psi on a stock block fine, its just a shitting turbo that spools to fast. Secondly, that same amount of boost with good tuning would crush any dsm out there. Ask firedrake, he ran a hybrid turbo at 12psi and made 379whp on a stock block. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Who am I? Just some guy that has been reading these forums longer than you've been here.
And thats a killer job on the 379whp on the stock block. Hellava tune is all I gotta say because you know as well as I do that damn near anyone else that tried to do that would be laughed at and told their **** was gonna break in no time. Just like the guy that put over 400whp on his stock H22 (forgot his name), there was a whole thread of you guys, not particularly you but as a forum, were damn near taking bets on how long it would last.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Yea that's when they're not getting towed due to the fact that they breakdown all the time. </TD></TR></TABLE>
What do you expect from cars that have been beat on for over 15 yrs? Besides, we all know it comes down to the maintenance and care that is given to the car. Launch AWD cars at 7k and you can't expect axles, rear diffs, and trannies to hold together very long.
Of course, I'm sure we all agree that the original poster needs to read much much more before trying to turbo his lude and should generally suggest not jumping right in the trying to "afro-engineer" (as he put it) a turbo onto a 18 yr old car.
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WTF are you talking about? A well built 20g car can pull 10's, and you were blowing that away? Damn, that 9sec stock block Honda is amazing.
Realistically, how many mid-low 13 second lude's are on here? Before the motor came out of my DSM, a low-mid 13 sec. pass on pump gas was easy and that's not ****. Stock turbo manny, decent tune, 15psi, 2.5exh with stock muffler and o2 housing on the 16g, which you correctly pointed out really isn't **** either. So with a stock longblock, mild turbo upgrade, mild exhaust upgrade, 550's + safc I beat over half of the cars here and I'm ignorant for that. Big words coming from a guy that put 8psi (i'm guessing from some t3/t4) and pwnnzzoorr cars that should be seeing ATLEAST 12's
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> First of all, that is a tiny *** turbo, I could have run a dsm 14b and ran 10psi on a stock block fine, its just a shitting turbo that spools to fast. Secondly, that same amount of boost with good tuning would crush any dsm out there. Ask firedrake, he ran a hybrid turbo at 12psi and made 379whp on a stock block. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Who am I? Just some guy that has been reading these forums longer than you've been here.
And thats a killer job on the 379whp on the stock block. Hellava tune is all I gotta say because you know as well as I do that damn near anyone else that tried to do that would be laughed at and told their **** was gonna break in no time. Just like the guy that put over 400whp on his stock H22 (forgot his name), there was a whole thread of you guys, not particularly you but as a forum, were damn near taking bets on how long it would last.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Yea that's when they're not getting towed due to the fact that they breakdown all the time. </TD></TR></TABLE>
What do you expect from cars that have been beat on for over 15 yrs? Besides, we all know it comes down to the maintenance and care that is given to the car. Launch AWD cars at 7k and you can't expect axles, rear diffs, and trannies to hold together very long.
Of course, I'm sure we all agree that the original poster needs to read much much more before trying to turbo his lude and should generally suggest not jumping right in the trying to "afro-engineer" (as he put it) a turbo onto a 18 yr old car.
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Wow, this thread sucks!
First, the guy with the original post, you're going to mess up your car. Save your money and buy a new car that isn't almost 20 years old to start with. During that time, you can learn everything to know about turbo setups and why you would have messed this car up.
For the rest of you posting on this thread, quit with the honda vs DSM crap. Both kinds of cars are capable, and both kinds of cars also regularly get turned into junkboxes by ricers. We don't need a bunch of bench racing in here.......
First, the guy with the original post, you're going to mess up your car. Save your money and buy a new car that isn't almost 20 years old to start with. During that time, you can learn everything to know about turbo setups and why you would have messed this car up.
For the rest of you posting on this thread, quit with the honda vs DSM crap. Both kinds of cars are capable, and both kinds of cars also regularly get turned into junkboxes by ricers. We don't need a bunch of bench racing in here.......
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wow...shouldnt have mentioned dsm in my first post...alrite so i'll get an intercooler. what about like the vacuum advance how will it effect that. at idle there isnt any boost so it should work somewhat but now exactly like it supposed to i'm sure. well i like my lude its oldschool and i ordered rims and i plan on painting it once my paint guns get here so i'll just keep this one even tho its old. thanx for the advice tho.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by C-Mob »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">U say read alot, n Im new to all this, can u tell me exactly wat to read to learn more n more n more about these machines?</TD></TR></TABLE>
what are u talking about?
to get your car professionally tuned, you are going to need to get some kind of tuning program. hondata, uberdata, aem ems, or piggyback programs. it's about 150 an hour from a reputable tuning place.
you are going to need a lot more than a t25 or the other turbo from dsm's. you wont really need to advance timings at idle because the t25 spools fast enough. that thing is TINY.
in all honesty, i think you need to read a lot more about turboing your car since you are building your turbo setup from scratch. it would be a lot easier if you bought a kit, but they also cost a lot of money.
educate urself and save urself the problems.
what are u talking about?
to get your car professionally tuned, you are going to need to get some kind of tuning program. hondata, uberdata, aem ems, or piggyback programs. it's about 150 an hour from a reputable tuning place.
you are going to need a lot more than a t25 or the other turbo from dsm's. you wont really need to advance timings at idle because the t25 spools fast enough. that thing is TINY.
in all honesty, i think you need to read a lot more about turboing your car since you are building your turbo setup from scratch. it would be a lot easier if you bought a kit, but they also cost a lot of money.
educate urself and save urself the problems.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Saiyansniper »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
WTF are you talking about? A well built 20g car can pull 10's, and you were blowing that away? Damn, that 9sec stock block Honda is amazing.
Realistically, how many mid-low 13 second lude's are on here? Before the motor came out of my DSM, a low-mid 13 sec. pass on pump gas was easy and that's not ****. Stock turbo manny, decent tune, 15psi, 2.5exh with stock muffler and o2 housing on the 16g, which you correctly pointed out really isn't **** either. So with a stock longblock, mild turbo upgrade, mild exhaust upgrade, 550's + safc I beat over half of the cars here and I'm ignorant for that. Big words coming from a guy that put 8psi (i'm guessing from some t3/t4) and pwnnzzoorr cars that should be seeing ATLEAST 12's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Okak ***, bring your almighty DSM up here and lets see whos car is faster. I was pushing 8psi on my STOCK motor, you better be careful about bumping your gums to people you don't know. If you want I can get all my DSM buddys to vouch that my car beat numerous 20g DSM's, All you **** do the same ******* things, rusty 1st gen, 16g or 20 and an AFC and think you guys are the ****, you are the exact reason why I dont like DSM and domestic guy's, you all talk the same spit, and guess what there are a TON of ignorant Honda guys, but I respect a car no matter what it is, but you can just go back to hittin your blow off valve to everyone like all you DSM'rs do. Go on a ******* DSM forum and get out of here. Come race me and the loser gets off this site okay, meet me at any midwest Pro SFWD class this season, and make sure all your buddies are there to see it, because after all, its just a honda with a t3/t4 right? You ******* Guppy.
WTF are you talking about? A well built 20g car can pull 10's, and you were blowing that away? Damn, that 9sec stock block Honda is amazing.
Realistically, how many mid-low 13 second lude's are on here? Before the motor came out of my DSM, a low-mid 13 sec. pass on pump gas was easy and that's not ****. Stock turbo manny, decent tune, 15psi, 2.5exh with stock muffler and o2 housing on the 16g, which you correctly pointed out really isn't **** either. So with a stock longblock, mild turbo upgrade, mild exhaust upgrade, 550's + safc I beat over half of the cars here and I'm ignorant for that. Big words coming from a guy that put 8psi (i'm guessing from some t3/t4) and pwnnzzoorr cars that should be seeing ATLEAST 12's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Okak ***, bring your almighty DSM up here and lets see whos car is faster. I was pushing 8psi on my STOCK motor, you better be careful about bumping your gums to people you don't know. If you want I can get all my DSM buddys to vouch that my car beat numerous 20g DSM's, All you **** do the same ******* things, rusty 1st gen, 16g or 20 and an AFC and think you guys are the ****, you are the exact reason why I dont like DSM and domestic guy's, you all talk the same spit, and guess what there are a TON of ignorant Honda guys, but I respect a car no matter what it is, but you can just go back to hittin your blow off valve to everyone like all you DSM'rs do. Go on a ******* DSM forum and get out of here. Come race me and the loser gets off this site okay, meet me at any midwest Pro SFWD class this season, and make sure all your buddies are there to see it, because after all, its just a honda with a t3/t4 right? You ******* Guppy.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vinuneuro »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> This guy's sig and posts leave me confused as to why hes on h-t, let alone the prelude forum. </TD></TR></TABLE>
EXACTLEY!!!
The reason he is on here is so he can get some real knowlege about cars, but what would I know, I drive a honda.
EXACTLEY!!!
The reason he is on here is so he can get some real knowlege about cars, but what would I know, I drive a honda.
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brolli: put your tools down and pick up a book or two...
h22turboCL: your avatar rules!
Saiyansniper: you have a lot of nerve coming to this forum and talking sh*t about hondas, you say you have been reading this forum longer than BB6-213 has been around, but it says under your avatar that you signed up on march 17th of this year... -I believe BB6-213 has been here since 12-22-03.
h22turboCL: your avatar rules!
Saiyansniper: you have a lot of nerve coming to this forum and talking sh*t about hondas, you say you have been reading this forum longer than BB6-213 has been around, but it says under your avatar that you signed up on march 17th of this year... -I believe BB6-213 has been here since 12-22-03.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vinuneuro »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> This guy's sig and posts leave me confused as to why hes on h-t, let alone the prelude forum. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea, doesn't make much sense at all. I'm guessing he has multiple personalities?
Yea, doesn't make much sense at all. I'm guessing he has multiple personalities?
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I've owned a prelude for quite some time now. First car actually and had fun with it till I wanted to go fast and not spend and insane amount of cash to break into the 11's.
Hadn't signed up till somewhat recently, lurked for quite a while.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The reason he is on here is so he can get some real knowlege about cars, but what would I know, I drive a honda. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not sure what "real" knowledge would be. I can install parts, build motors, tune with some degree of success. Can't port things or do other machine work. I guess being a machinist then is where "real" knowledge comes in...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> you have a lot of nerve coming to this forum and talking sh*t about hondas, </TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry, missed the point where I talked trash about Honda's. I did tell brolli he needs to read up on this stuff before he tries to do a turbo install. Also asked how many 13 second ludes are around here and wondered how a guy beat the **** out of a bunch of "should be" 11sec cars (20g DSM's).
Just for the record, just putting a 20g on a DSM doesn't make it fast, could actually make it slower, beside the fact that its a **** turbo compared to whats available. However, a well built 20g shouldn't have a problem seeing 11's on race gas, depending on driver/tuning/conditions.
Hadn't signed up till somewhat recently, lurked for quite a while.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The reason he is on here is so he can get some real knowlege about cars, but what would I know, I drive a honda. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not sure what "real" knowledge would be. I can install parts, build motors, tune with some degree of success. Can't port things or do other machine work. I guess being a machinist then is where "real" knowledge comes in...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> you have a lot of nerve coming to this forum and talking sh*t about hondas, </TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry, missed the point where I talked trash about Honda's. I did tell brolli he needs to read up on this stuff before he tries to do a turbo install. Also asked how many 13 second ludes are around here and wondered how a guy beat the **** out of a bunch of "should be" 11sec cars (20g DSM's).
Just for the record, just putting a 20g on a DSM doesn't make it fast, could actually make it slower, beside the fact that its a **** turbo compared to whats available. However, a well built 20g shouldn't have a problem seeing 11's on race gas, depending on driver/tuning/conditions.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Saiyansniper »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've owned a prelude for quite some time now. First car actually and had fun with it till I wanted to go fast and not spend and insane amount of cash to break into the 11's.
Hadn't signed up till somewhat recently, lurked for quite a while.
I'm not sure what "real" knowledge would be. I can install parts, build motors, tune with some degree of success. Can't port things or do other machine work. I guess being a machinist then is where "real" knowledge comes in...
Sorry, missed the point where I talked trash about Honda's. I did tell brolli he needs to read up on this stuff before he tries to do a turbo install. Also asked how many 13 second ludes are around here and wondered how a guy beat the **** out of a bunch of "should be" 11sec cars (20g DSM's).
Just for the record, just putting a 20g on a DSM doesn't make it fast, could actually make it slower, beside the fact that its a **** turbo compared to whats available. However, a well built 20g shouldn't have a problem seeing 11's on race gas, depending on driver/tuning/conditions.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dude how dumb are you? Just leave! Your basically saying in your signature that honda's suck, yet your here? Go away you troll. Chances are you probaly are serious about pushing that DSM peice of crap.
Hadn't signed up till somewhat recently, lurked for quite a while.
I'm not sure what "real" knowledge would be. I can install parts, build motors, tune with some degree of success. Can't port things or do other machine work. I guess being a machinist then is where "real" knowledge comes in...
Sorry, missed the point where I talked trash about Honda's. I did tell brolli he needs to read up on this stuff before he tries to do a turbo install. Also asked how many 13 second ludes are around here and wondered how a guy beat the **** out of a bunch of "should be" 11sec cars (20g DSM's).
Just for the record, just putting a 20g on a DSM doesn't make it fast, could actually make it slower, beside the fact that its a **** turbo compared to whats available. However, a well built 20g shouldn't have a problem seeing 11's on race gas, depending on driver/tuning/conditions.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dude how dumb are you? Just leave! Your basically saying in your signature that honda's suck, yet your here? Go away you troll. Chances are you probaly are serious about pushing that DSM peice of crap.
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LUk man this is honda-tech.com, not slow-ness.com getchur DSM's out man i dont even have a car....**** i cud run faster than that piece of ****.....even if u were driving it