I was wondering if I should turbo up a 99 accord 4cyl to give it a little more beef. I hear the turbonetics turbo isn't that good since I have a automatic(poopie) but oh well, if you know any manufacturer that sells for a 99 accord 4cyl please put links or if you have a full kit email me or post with price and pictures under this. Thanks

 

youll need and want to swap to a manual if your gonna make alot of power

 

I thought so, I have enough for a swap but if i do that i'll need to save alot more for a turbo kit :-\ what turbo kits are good for accord with stick? Should I just go with the turbonetics after I get stick?

 

It doesn't matter what turbo kit you get for an auto. There is a still a risk of it blowing.

FYI, the stock ringlands are ****. Quite a few people have blown them, even at low boost. But if you don't beat on it constantly, you'll be fine.

The F23's bottom end is solid. Haven't heard of any disasters involving it yet.

 

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FYI, the stock ringlands are ****. Quite a few people have blown them, even at low boost. But if you don't beat on it constantly, you'll be fine.

The F23's bottom end is solid. Haven't heard of any disasters involving it yet.</TD></TR></TABLE>

^^ LMAO dude you just completely contradicted yourself.

the ringlands are part of the piston and the piston is a part of the bottom end.

the bottom end is JUNK if you want to make serious power.

you need some of these 1st:



check out the stock F23 pistons & rods vs my CP/crower combo:

 

You copied those CP's and Crowers out of my engine dude

 

Im curious why you want to turbo this engine...even with a turbo, unless you go build the engine up in all aspects, its still going to be a slouch...is it so you can have a BOV on blow it off on the street? Or for the cosmetic appeal of a big FMIC? Not trying to put you down, but if you just slap a turbo kit on your car, not only is it going to be pissing money away on something that really and truely isnt going to do MUCH for your 4cyl. accord, but its also going to risk the destruction of said engine when soemone presses you on to run it with higher boost, you figure out how a boost controller works and you run the boost up too high.

Leave a turbo kit alone man...if anything do some suspension work and get away from the street/drag racing thing with your car...nobody buys a turbo kit just to get "a little more beef", if your thinking you'll have a setup to make some decent power...think again, turbo kits cost MUCH more than you could imagine to run legitimately to yield anything worth a damn on honda 4cyl.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbowa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You copied those CP's and Crowers out of my engine dude </TD></TR></TABLE>
I stole them right out of your block! That's why your car isn't running right.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hypnosisracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im curious why you want to turbo this engine...even with a turbo, unless you go build the engine up in all aspects, its still going to be a slouch...is it so you can have a BOV on blow it off on the street? Or for the cosmetic appeal of a big FMIC? Not trying to put you down, but if you just slap a turbo kit on your car, not only is it going to be pissing money away on something that really and truely isnt going to do MUCH for your 4cyl. accord, but its also going to risk the destruction of said engine when soemone presses you on to run it with higher boost, you figure out how a boost controller works and you run the boost up too high.

Leave a turbo kit alone man...if anything do some suspension work and get away from the street/drag racing thing with your car...nobody buys a turbo kit just to get "a little more beef", if your thinking you'll have a setup to make some decent power...think again, turbo kits cost MUCH more than you could imagine to run legitimately to yield anything worth a damn on honda 4cyl.</TD></TR></TABLE>

are you OK? turbo doesn't make power because it happens to be an accord? it won't do "much"? what are you smoking? 8 psi is going to add quite a bit of power to a civic, an accord, or a ******* geo metro for that matter.

I put down 242 HP/268 FT/LBS with my measly little SOHC accord with CRACKED RINGLANDS during that run. Oil furiously bubbling out of the breather.

I'm not making a track car, I'm making a fun *** street car. And it's a fun, comfortable, beautiful, and soon to be fast car.

you're a tool

do you diss the people who turbo D16 engines too, because it's a lowly D series?

 

i completely 100% disagree with hypnosisracing. On an auto you are pretty much limited to boosting to 6psi, but 60hp DOES do MUCH for any car. Plus, so what if he wants to have a bov for cosmetics, **** thats one of the best part of having it--the look on peoples faces. Plus its not all that much to build custom turbos anymore. I put mine together for 655 so far, and i have about 250-350 more bucks to spend and it'll be complete. Now, it would be a lot more for a stand alone like AEM EMS or something, but you can get away with a afc hack and be straight. I just think people are stuck on a few years ago when turbos were really expensive, but now they arent that pricey anymore so i say go and buildup a custom one and smoke some v6's

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.Hankey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but you can get away with a afc hack and be straight. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree with most of what you said except this. ^^^

AFC hack results on an F23:

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hypnosisracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Leave a turbo kit alone man...if anything do some suspension work and get away from the street/drag racing thing with your car...nobody buys a turbo kit just to get "a little more beef", if your thinking you'll have a setup to make some decent power...think again, turbo kits cost MUCH more than you could imagine to run legitimately to yield anything worth a damn on honda 4cyl.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're a moron. The point of a turbo is to add power. I think you should search the FI forum a little so you can figure out exactly what a turbo does to an engine. People get turbos to add 'beef' all the time. Just because he isn't building his engine for 6 gazillion whp doesn't mean its a waste of money!! When you have a car the makes 120whp (about what his auto is making), adding even 50whp is a huge difference.

If a turbo doesn't "do much on his 4cyl" what mod would you suggest to make power??? With the right engine management he could easily make more whp then your S2000, but then again the S2k is just another lowly honda 4cyl

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are you OK? turbo doesn't make power because it happens to be an accord? it won't do "much"? what are you smoking? 8 psi is going to add quite a bit of power to a civic, an accord, or a ******* geo metro for that matter.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your putting words in my mouth now...i never said ANYTHING about not making power because its an accord, i said that slapping a turbo kit on a stock 4cyl. accord isnt going to be FAST, and i was speaking my opinion when i said that it isnt going to be worth it. No, it wont do MUCH, i dont smoke, never have...and 8psi on that car isnt going to get the car out of the 14/15sec. range anyways, thats fine if your happy with that, but to me, for the cost of what it takes to make a legitimate turbo kit run well and reliable, its not worth it.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I put down 242 HP/268 FT/LBS with my measly little SOHC accord with CRACKED RINGLANDS during that run. Oil furiously bubbling out of the breather.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You could have prevented such things with a little preliminary work before adding a turbo though right? Thats all i was getting at.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not making a track car, I'm making a fun *** street car. And it's a fun, comfortable, beautiful, and soon to be fast car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your building a fun *** street car...thats great! Your opinion is your yields are worth the money and risk, and thats on you, i wont speak on your opinions because im not one to say if they are right or wrong.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you're a tool</TD></TR></TABLE>

Let's leave the elementary school name calling at the door, i was speaking civily, i know you can do it too.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you diss the people who turbo D16 engines too, because it's a lowly D series?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I didnt "diss" anyone here, i was speaking civily and was offering opinion, something that any of us can do on this message board. If you build a D16 properly, yes it can be a great little setup with a turbo...if you slap a turbo on a stock D16, no, i dont think its worth it...i think its silly, you still have low power, but now you've added forced induction to a motor that wasnt built for it...so unless you plan to build it, i think its a waste of money.

And please stop making it look like im hating on him, you or any accord owner, and stop the crap about me talking **** about specific motors, i havent, i spoke in generalities, that on a 4cyl. accord, putting a turbo kit on it without modifications isnt going to yield much and isnt worth it...thats my opinion, just like the opposite is YOUR opinion.

Are you going to come back and call me names again? Or can we discuss this like adults? Let me know so i can walk away from this before i hurt more feelings...


Modified by hypnosisracing at 11:21 AM 6/17/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're a moron. The point of a turbo is to add power. I think you should search the FI forum a little so you can figure out exactly what a turbo does to an engine. People get turbos to add 'beef' all the time. Just because he isn't building his engine for 6 gazillion whp doesn't mean its a waste of money!! When you have a car the makes 120whp (about what his auto is making), adding even 50whp is a huge difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Here we go again with the name calling...lol.

I understand quite personally what a turbo does, given that ive owned and worked on so many turbo cars in my life, ive got alot of experience with them in all aspects. I was never speaking on making a TON of horsepower, i was speaking on properly building a motor for a turbo kit...what was being discussed was taking this motor, and in stock form slapping a turbo kit on it...will it add horsepower? Of course it will, you could build a custom kit for a lawn mower and make power...but think about it...you want to add performance to your car, with a motor that was never built for forced induction, and you want to just put a turbo kit on and call it a day? Are you telling me you think this is a good idea? Just answer that and i'll leave it alone.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If a turbo doesn't "do much on his 4cyl" what mod would you suggest to make power??? With the right engine management he could easily make more whp then your S2000, but then again the S2k is just another lowly honda 4cyl</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol...my CL-S STOCK makes more horsepower than my S2000, does it mean anything? Nope...lets compare apples to apples here, and leave the S2000 out of it, none of us really need to go there, and if you do, take it to the S2000 room.

As far as what i would suggest to make more power? I wouldnt suggest anything, a turbo kit is the cheapest way to make the most power (depending on who you know and how much you can get parts for)...outside that, nitrous is about your only option that is reasonibly priced and gives a decent power yield (since i dont think there is many supercharger kits if any for this motor...and even then, you spend alot, and you still dont get the yields you would with a turbo).

With the money though i would suggest other things...i would suggest suspension modifications, i would suggest internal building for possible FUTURE F/I applications, those are the kind of things i would suggest.

But you guys are stuck on thinking im trying to demean him, or "hate/diss" his car, engine or whatever...when it was nothing like that...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i completely 100% disagree with hypnosisracing. On an auto you are pretty much limited to boosting to 6psi, but 60hp DOES do MUCH for any car. Plus, so what if he wants to have a bov for cosmetics, **** thats one of the best part of having it--the look on peoples faces. Plus its not all that much to build custom turbos anymore. I put mine together for 655 so far, and i have about 250-350 more bucks to spend and it'll be complete. Now, it would be a lot more for a stand alone like AEM EMS or something, but you can get away with a afc hack and be straight. I just think people are stuck on a few years ago when turbos were really expensive, but now they arent that pricey anymore so i say go and buildup a custom one and smoke some v6's</TD></TR></TABLE>

I guess ive just grown out of trying to impress other people, thats the only reason i made that comment about the BOV...and your right, 60hp is alot for any car, but imagine 160hp added onto that motor. Now think about taking the money from a custom turbo kit, and STARTING work on the internals of a motor...or perhaps even looking into a 6cyl. swap and then starting work on that.

Let me explain something to you 3, since you guys are taking offense to what i said, when it was just a civil comment to discuss this further. Im not "dissing" this or any other 4cyl. I have a freakin' sports car with a 4cyl. in it for gods sake, you think if i was some 4cyl hater i'd even consider owning the torqueless S2000? lol, i was speaking on building of motors, i was speaking on properly preparing an n/a engineered platform for a new f/i setup...it takes alot of money to simply RUN it reliably. Now yes you can get more power over stock with no mods, but if your going to invest over a thousand in something, you better do it right...especially if your talkign about your car, something you need for transportation, and not some track car (as many of you have pointed out).

I will stand by my statement that if there is no plan to build the engine at all, and simply put a turbo kit on by itself, that i think its not worth it...but it has more to do with the yield of such an expense vs. what it COULD be with a little work to the motor before hand. I also think that performance is an aspect that i find important. If i spend alot of money on the motor, i want it to perform well too, not just make power...but there is another issue, im not much for drag racing or street racing, so autox and track racing are more my cup of tea...and the reason i'll usually suggest suspension work over putting a turbo on a stock motor.

But like with any plan...its his car, he'll do what he wants...and again, i was not trying to disrespect the motor, the car, the driver or anything like that, just talking, im at work and talking cars is alot better than doing actual work...hahah.

 

stop triple posting.......it seems you know very little about boosting the F series motors., but hey, so do i.
yes, some people do (and can safely w/ reliability) add a simple turbo kit with low boost, and are more than happy with it. not everyone can spend the money to buy a fast car from the start, and some who can, would rather take an underpowered car they love, and put some work into it. some people might welcome the challenges of pitfalls of boosting a stock motor till part of it fails, wether its to justify getting more expensive parts (as trivial as that may seem) or maybe they've never torn down an engine (like myself) and want to experience that challenge

frankly, you've grown out of your "making slow cars less slow" stage, but some people havent, and some people won't. rather than come out and say how its a dumb idea, give some constructive thoughts to a guy who has a legitimite question, and try to answer what he asks, not shoot down his idea. im sure at one point, you asked someone a very similar question.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hypnosisracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
And please stop making it look like im hating on him, you or any accord owner, and stop the crap about me talking **** about specific motors, i havent, i spoke in generalities, that on a 4cyl. accord, putting a turbo kit on it without modifications isnt going to yield much and isnt worth it...thats my opinion, just like the opposite is YOUR opinion.

Are you going to come back and call me names again? Or can we discuss this like adults? Let me know so i can walk away from this before i hurt more feelings...
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LOL my feelings are not hurt due to some anonymous person's opinions on the intaRw3b

the way you phrased your emial, while civil, certainly seemed to be talking down to anyone who boosts an accord:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">unless you go build the engine up in all aspects, its still going to be a slouch...is it so you can have a BOV on blow it off on the street? Or for the cosmetic appeal of a big FMIC? Not trying to put you down, but if you just slap a turbo kit on your car, not only is it going to be pissing money away on something that really and truely isnt going to do MUCH for your 4cyl. accord,</TD></TR></TABLE>

that seems to imply "you are a ricer you just want a BOV or a shiney FMIC on your accord". I am perfectly capable of civil discussion, if the topic and/or poster deserve it. You've just shown me that you deserve it so I apologize for my "tool" comment.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hypnosisracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
im at work and talking cars is alot better than doing actual work...hahah.</TD></TR></TABLE>

agreed there!! work =

TGIF.

oh one more little comment, on a 6th gen upgrading to the v6 then boosting would probably be more hassle than it's worth. there's less aftermarket support for the J30 than the F23 (and there's almost NONE for the F23), not to mention the J30 only comes with an auto tranny, so you'd have to try to swap in a CL-S 6 speed into the accord, then custom make manifolds, etc. not to mention that I don't know of any EMS that would run on the v6 accords....

-B

 

I never called his idea dumb, more words put into my mouth. And i posted 3 times because i responded to three people, lol, whats next, shots towards my grammer? Come on folks...

As far as not knowing about boosting an Fseries, its no different than boosting a Dseries, some parts are welcoming to forced induction, some are garbage, but like ANY honda motor, it requires work to make decent power reliably. I did answer his question too...the thread is titled "Turbo or no?(6th Gen)" and thats what i did. Some of you guys just dont like the fact that i happened to think it wasnt a good idea.

Let's refrain from assuming im talking down to him...i offered just as legitimate an opinion and answer as anyone in here.

 

Again...i wasnt speaking towards him in a demeaning way, atleast, that is not what it was intended (or should not have been taken) that way.

And werd...TGIF. lol

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh one more little comment, on a 6th gen upgrading to the v6 then boosting would probably be more hassle than it's worth. there's less aftermarket support for the J30 than the F23 (and there's almost NONE for the F23), not to mention the J30 only comes with an auto tranny, so you'd have to try to swap in a CL-S 6 speed into the accord, then custom make manifolds, etc. not to mention that I don't know of any EMS that would run on the v6 accords....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah...i figured it was a good bit of work...but it was just a thought. With the swap anyways your talking a good chunk of money, so to do that AND boost it would take alot more than building up that 4cyl. for some good yields...just throwing stuff out there...

 

What's the word on the ERL MF2 for engine management?

Some people say it will make the car run like ****, and it will bog once in a while.

But Paul said different. He ran it on the black Accord, which ran like a ******* champ, and took all of the abuse he dished out.

 

With the ERL MF2, you have secondary injectors located before the throttle body (assuming you're talking about the FMAX kit with 2 secondary injectors). The problem with this is that the intake manifold was not designed to flow anything but air. This in turn causes cylinders 2 and 3 to get more fuel than 1 and 4, and can also lead to fuel pooling up in the intake manifold.

 

hey if you want to turbo your car you need to plan on spending some cash... swapping it to manual first of all if going to be a bitch for a couple of reasons 1 you need to find a junkyard that has a 6th gen accord manual there and get all the parts you need shifter assembly, cables, clutch assembly i mean everything you need to convert your car to stick unless you want to go to honda and pay like 1000 for all those parts not to mention the manual assembly is on back order and they dont know when there gunnah release it.....but if you need it go to http://www.leanracing.com 2nd of all you might as well get an h22 with manual tranny from http://www.hmotorsonline.com and while your old motor is ripped out install all the shifter cables and clutch assembly and everything you need to convert your car so that way its a little cheaper figure about 2200 for motor shipped depending on where you get the parts for the 5speed swap figure another 1000 if you go to honda and to have it installed which i got it done for 1000 for swap and switched my car from auto to manual then after thats all done then you worry about the turbo no sense in beefing up your accord motor its **** i would say to supercharge it but either way its a **** motor everyone i kno who has the same motor said the same thing your better off doing a swap then worrying about how to turbo it

 

I dont think they made a supercharger for the sixth gen 4 cylinders. &lt;Maybe the do i just havent seen one&gt; Most of the supercharger kits ive seen have been for the v6 six gens. You could turbo the f23 but your gonna have to beef up internals and what not to reach whatever HP goal you want to get to. If your gonna go turbo best thing to do is to convert your car to manual. Honda Auto Trannys arent the best for massive HP usage.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LiquidLan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey if you want to turbo your car you need to plan on spending some cash... swapping it to manual first of all if going to be a bitch for a couple of reasons 1 you need to find a junkyard that has a 6th gen accord manual there and get all the parts you need shifter assembly, cables, clutch assembly i mean everything you need to convert your car to stick unless you want to go to honda and pay like 1000 for all those parts not to mention the manual assembly is on back order and they dont know when there gunnah release it.....but if you need it go to http://www.leanracing.com 2nd of all you might as well get an h22 with manual tranny from http://www.hmotorsonline.com and while your old motor is ripped out install all the shifter cables and clutch assembly and everything you need to convert your car so that way its a little cheaper figure about 2200 for motor shipped depending on where you get the parts for the 5speed swap figure another 1000 if you go to honda and to have it installed which i got it done for 1000 for swap and switched my car from auto to manual then after thats all done then you worry about the turbo no sense in beefing up your accord motor its **** i would say to supercharge it but either way its a **** motor everyone i kno who has the same motor said the same thing your better off doing a swap then worrying about how to turbo it</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm not really sure what you are talking about, but that's the longest run on sentence i've ever heard...use simple punctuation and your posts will be 10 times easier to read...

tell me, though, why is it you call the accord motor ****...the f23 will handle boost much better than an h22 ever would stock...and if you are building the motor, what's it matter if it's an h22 or f23...you can make great amounts of power out of both motors when properly built, only without the extra expense of the h22 on the side...

there are no superchargers for any 4 cylinder accord...

anyways, a simple turbo setup will be fine for your auto transmission...6-7 psi will probably work out ok, however pushing it past that will not be pretty...i'd say go ahead and boost it with a simple kit, making sure to invest in propper engine management...a properly tuned motor makes all the difference with how long it lasts...

 

An auto tranny will blow no matter what. It will be inevitable in FI. All you can do is prolong its life.

Do NOT go the cheap way. Do NOT do an AFC hack. Hondata, w/o some badass rewiring, will NOT work on the car due to it being a 6th gen auto ECU.

That is all.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i'm not really sure what you are talking about, but that's the longest run on sentence i've ever heard...use simple punctuation and your posts will be 10 times easier to read...

tell me, though, why is it you call the accord motor ****...the f23 will handle boost much better than an h22 ever would stock...and if you are building the motor, what's it matter if it's an h22 or f23...you can make great amounts of power out of both motors when properly built, only without the extra expense of the h22 on the side...

there are no superchargers for any 4 cylinder accord...

anyways, a simple turbo setup will be fine for your auto transmission...6-7 psi will probably work out ok, however pushing it past that will not be pretty...i'd say go ahead and boost it with a simple kit, making sure to invest in propper engine management...a properly tuned motor makes all the difference with how long it lasts...</TD></TR></TABLE>

the stock accord motor is **** its slow as **** and the engine modifications are really limited. and you say the accord motor will handle boost a lot better then the h22 then you say to just boost it with a simple kit?????????????????????? If you go with the h22 its more hp and torque right off the bat, all the parts are extremely easy to find, and you can turbo the **** out of that engine including if you want to change all the pistons, cams, etc. etc. youll have no problem finding the parts..... good luck with keeping your accord motor in it what are you gunnah do put a basic turbo kit on it end of story ?