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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 08:57 PM
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For those aware, and those who aren't, here is some irony:

About a week and a half before expo, I started detonating. My fuel pressure was way too low, and it turned out to be my fuel pump. I overnigthed a fuel pump. After installing, I still had detonation issue at WOT. (first time the s/c setup had detonation issues)

I made some calls... my best option was to order a hondata with the JRSC map, and took the time to get some other goodies to make it run better. The parts were hard to track down in such a short time and were overnighted to me. (Thanks Jim, thanks Doug!).

The parts were installed at the track (huge to Dan GSR). The car could not idle... it would stall out. At WOT ir ran great... for a while. Then It started running rough as hell. I thought it might be too rich, as well as many others did.

Saturday night, at the banquet... my ticket number was called, and I won a hondata s100 with boost. What are the odds?

As an update, the car is in fact not running to rich. It is in fact too lean, and its amazing I didn't detonate or do serious damage to the motor. Tuning has been scheduled, and until then she will not be seeing any tarmac.
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 09:14 PM
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Glad you are working things out Brad. When she's up again come on up to the big city for a cruise

Dan GSR is teh man.
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 09:22 PM
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I'm glad you're finally getting everything sorted out and I'm even more glad you made it back home in one piece!

Time for a good header and a Tune
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 09:28 PM
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Hey you, back into the dungeon and edit that footage!

I want a teaser in 3 weeks!
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:30 PM
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 11:29 PM
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Brad,

No more overnight shipping for you

Good luck on getting it running "right"

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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 02:56 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mythias &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The parts were installed at the track (huge to Dan GSR)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry we couldn't get more done at expo
but glad its coming to an end

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Opie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Dan GSR is teh man.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats right b*tches

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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 04:52 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mythias &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As an update, the car is in fact not running to rich. It is in fact too lean, and its amazing I didn't detonate or do serious damage to the motor. Tuning has been scheduled, and until then she will not be seeing any tarmac.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's a very good idea. We don't have cylinder head temperature gauges, and at high RPM running lean you are seriously overheating and you can actually burn a valve or even burn a piston.

Ask me how I know.
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 05:04 AM
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Good luck with that Brad!!
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 05:37 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That's a very good idea. We don't have cylinder head temperature gauges, and at high RPM running lean you are seriously overheating and you can actually burn a valve or even burn a piston.

Ask me how I know. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I thought about installing some made for aircraft. They install like a washer underneath a spark plug. You 'could' install 4 and watch each cylinder temp.
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 07:35 AM
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Or just run an EGT probe to each cylinder...
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 07:37 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris F &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought about installing some made for aircraft. They install like a washer underneath a spark plug. You 'could' install 4 and watch each cylinder temp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's a hot tip! May be cheaper than 4 EGRs, and no drilling.

Try an aircraft salvage supplier. For those of you in L.A., try All Aircraft Parts in Van Nuys (by the airport). They have just about everything.
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 07:40 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eluder200K &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Or just run an EGT probe to each cylinder...</TD></TR></TABLE>

CHT (Cyl. Head Temp) gauges are cheap. You can get a dual gauge (2 cyl reading) gauge for $86 with probes.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/....html

But yeah, EGT or wideband A:F per cylinder would rock.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ill &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's a hot tip! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Punny.
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 07:42 AM
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CHT gauge, all about 'em:
http://www.ultralightnews.ca/cht/chtstory.htm
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 07:42 AM
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I've heard of the JRSC FMU's going bad before. That could have possibly been your issue. Not to be the devils advocate, but hondata is meant to be dynotuned/streettuned via w/b before any real boosting/driving depending how on much the setup changed or damage could occur. I wish you the best of luck. I hope none of that did any damage.
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 07:43 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mythias &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Tuning has been scheduled, and until then she will not be seeing any tarmac.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cool mang! Get 'er running! Get some gauges
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 07:46 AM
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hey dont forget I helped you take off the MAP sensor!

good luck getting the bugs out
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 08:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris F &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cool mang! Get 'er running! Get some gauges </TD></TR></TABLE>

I am planning on guages very shortly (Defi).

I realize I am quite lucky that no serious damage was done to the motor. I'm telling ya, that b18c5 in the 97 is a champ. Drove out to omaha with detonation and drove back lean. She is one hell of a trooper. I never even have to add oil in between changes.

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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 08:47 AM
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glad its gonna get fixed
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Opie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Glad you are working things out Brad. When she's up again come on up to the big city for a cruise </TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds good to me. She should be up and running sometime on July 21st, with some new goodies. (header, test pipe, breather kit, and hopefully some Defi by then).
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 09:01 AM
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which guages are you planning on? you need a couple
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 10:21 AM
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mmm... gauges! Glad everything went well along the ride home Brad! It was a rough one!!

-Victor ( who wants to do a couple gauges too )
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 10:32 AM
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You may have already done this, or may need to do some searching: I saw a post recently about someone having a problem with JRSC. Apparently there's a block of plate you need from JR (not shipped w/kit), and you must not only relocate the map sensor, but change the plumbing so it get's the right reading. Otherwise it can read wrong, and your tuning will be constantly changing.
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 11:05 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ill &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You may have already done this, or may need to do some searching: I saw a post recently about someone having a problem with JRSC. Apparently there's a block of plate you need from JR (not shipped w/kit), and you must not only relocate the map sensor, but change the plumbing so it get's the right reading. Otherwise it can read wrong, and your tuning will be constantly changing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hehe, I actually posted the instructions on the map sensor reloction kit.
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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 12:55 PM
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saw that post
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