After riding for a while from my ninja 250 getting familiar with traffic especially in the tri state area, and selling my 250 for a 600 cc bike, what difference is there?
I always feel that I go to slow before cornering, but I don't have the ***** to turn in at 60mph, especially when coming off from a highway?
I remember the msf guy was like the only thing you can do is lean more, but how low is too low. I've seen guy lean down almost parallel to the ground, but how to you gain that control?
thanks

 

just practice..... read the book twist of the wrist..... vol 1 and 2, and participate in a track day, always make sure ur tires are warm before you go carving, and make sure the raods are debri free....... always remember you dont need to enter a 60 mph corner at 60 mph... its difficult to shave a significant amount of speed off in mid corner (safely), but you can always add it.... be smooth, and REMEMBER LOOK THROUGH THE CORNER...... i got more to add, but im playin poker tonight...... ill check back later

 

the bike will lean more than you will. but with that being said stay on the throttle and ensure your tires are warm and have good tread. please don't do it in traffic, it will make a lowside a nightmare. save it for twisties or the track

 

If you're buying the 600 brand new, you can use the tires rear chicken strips to help measure how far you've leaned the bike over.

 

yeah, the guy from a few months ago was like trust your eyes, which is pretty hard to do for me anyways and always keep a constant throttle

 

my problem is, I always get insecurity getting into a crazy turn, so I always slow down too much as many people say, but I do lean more because you can't beak and have to keep a throttle on while cornering

 

wel don't push it too much, it will come to you, maybe you should hit up a trackday.

 

Watch out for sand!

 

So do you have the 250? Did sell it already and get a 600?

Where in the tri-state are you at?

You can hit peg feelers on the 250 really easily and you can drag pegs easily if you're trying to push.

If you're local maybe we can meet up and go for a ride and I'll try to give you some pointers seeing that I was in the same situation as you the beginning of this year.

 

Going back to basics..

Keep your knees firm on the gas tank to hold you in place. That'll free up your arms. When entering a right hand turn, push away with your right hand. You'll be surprise how easy the bike turns and leans when you just go back to those basics.

After that, remember that its always better to give a little bit of throttle while turning. This will keep you from loading the front and going wide. And if you find yourself going wide, don't panic, look through the turn and push the bar more. It's important that you look through the turn and don't fixate on the outter guard rail, curb, or car.

When you get better, you'll find yourself hanging and maybe still your knee out. Until then, keep your arms free by supporting your body with your knees on the tank.

 

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Keep your knees firm on the gas tank to hold you in place. That'll free up your arms. When entering a right hand turn, push away with your right hand. You'll be surprise how easy the bike turns and leans when you just go back to those basics.

After that, remember that its always better to give a little bit of throttle while turning. This will keep you from loading the front and going wide. And if you find yourself going wide, don't panic, look through the turn and push the bar more. It's important that you look through the turn and don't fixate on the outter guard rail, curb, or car.

When you get better, you'll find yourself hanging and maybe still your knee out. Until then, keep your arms free by supporting your body with your knees on the tank. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Without having ridden, I'm still trying to grasp the concept that I've seen mentioned of "push right, go right, push left, go left". I guess I'm just used to driving a car where you point the wheels in one direction and you go that way, dont understand how pushing with your right hand, putting your wheel facing to the left allows you to make a right turn. I gotta get a book.

 

Don't worry about how it works just understand that it does.

 

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Sue me for trying to figure out the physics behind it. I guess I'll just have to get some first hand experience on my n00b ***.

 

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Get on a bicycle. While your going straight, push the right bar, you'll fall towards your right therefore leaning to the right. Try it.

 

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Without having ridden, I'm still trying to grasp the concept that I've seen mentioned of "push right, go right, push left, go left". I guess I'm just used to driving a car where you point the wheels in one direction and you go that way, dont understand how pushing with your right hand, putting your wheel facing to the left allows you to make a right turn. I gotta get a book.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Here is one link on how it works....(google motorcycle countersteering)
http://www.msgroup.org/TIP048.html


But like said before don't worry about how.....just know that it does work...you can comprehend the physics of it, but you will fully understand when you finally ride..

And like the article states the human mind is an extremely fast learner... It didn't take long before I figued it out...and I don't even think about how slow is too slow to countersteer......I just kinda know........

And the bicycle analogy is exactly how it is except that on a bicycle you don't have the whole gyroscopic effect going for you

 

Yeah, I kinda figured it out today at work. Pushing with your right and "aiming" the bike left is kind of like an induced slide, forcing the bike to go over into a lean.

Aha, and now after reading part way through that link on steering, I think back to today, when I sat on my first motorcycle! I went to a Honda dealership today just to see how I measured up to a street bike. I was able to easily flat foot an 02 and 05 RC51, as well as an 05 CBR600RR (which I must say was an extremely unconfortable feeling bike, at least the seat was.)

But while standing the bike up, and straightening the wheel out you can kind of feel that force that steers you. You pick the bike up and straigten the wheel and the bike picks itself up. You crank it all the way left and the bike wants to lean right and vice versa. Pretty neat stuff. I just couldnt for the life of me figure out how to work the blinkers

Haha, after sitting on a bike for the first time, not even riding it, it seemed kind of overwhelming, like there was so much going on........brake, throttle, clutch, try and keep the bike standing while you flicked it into gear, but I'm sure it all becomes stupidly simple once you do it a few times.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MugenHonda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my problem is, I always get insecurity getting into a crazy turn, so I always slow down too much as many people say, but I do lean more because you can't beak and have to keep a throttle on while cornering
</TD></TR></TABLE>Take your time. Experience will come. Leaning will come. Trust your tires. If you lowside, you leaned too much. Not trying to be funny, but just take your time, and your riding will improve as well as your insecurities about leaning and going fast. Trust me on this, I am still learning but it gets better. Good luck and be safe.