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Old May 29, 2005 | 01:54 PM
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i just came back from the shop to get my car alligned... they tried alligning it and they said they couldnt do anything about it because my camber kit is adjusted to the most negative setting, and it needs to be pulled MORE over to the negative side... right now its on -4 degrees, which is the max... what shall i do ??

1: should i raise my car up which will somewhat lessen the camber wear

2: find another camber kit that can adjust to MORE than 4 degress +/- camber...

3: step it up and get TRUE coilover setup...

keep in mind that money is somewhat of an issue...

heres a pic of what my car looks like, and the ride height... only the fronts are eating up
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Old May 29, 2005 | 01:59 PM
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Modified by NeWnMpR0VeD at 2:24 AM 5/30/2005
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Old May 29, 2005 | 04:32 PM
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do you have the print out or the specs for the car right now so i can see it.
cause i dont really understand what your trying to say
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Old May 29, 2005 | 04:35 PM
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Camber isn't what wears tires...it's toe. The alignment shop should have done that for you.
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Old May 29, 2005 | 05:21 PM
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yeah cause from the pictures your camber isnt all that bad.
but camber will wear the tire it just take longer
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Old May 29, 2005 | 06:27 PM
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what kind of camber kit do you have? Btw I cant see the picture...
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Old May 29, 2005 | 06:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NeWnMpR0VeD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i just came back from the shop to get my car alligned... they tried alligning it and they said they couldnt do anything about it because my camber kit is adjusted to the most negative setting, and it needs to be pulled MORE over to the negative side...</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's okay, don't worry about the camber. The shop is just doing their job, which is to reset alignment as close to the center of factory specs as possible. However, what they won't tell you is that this is not always necessary, or even ideal. Not to mention the liability factor . . .

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">right now its on -4 degrees</TD></TR></TABLE>
There's no way. If your car is low enough to have more than -5 degrees of camber (limit of factory spec is probably around -1.0* or so), you have more issues to worry about than just tire wear

As wannabe_si mentioned, your specs printout would help us.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1: should i raise my car up which will somewhat lessen the camber wear</TD></TR></TABLE>
If they already set the toe, and then you raise it up again, the tires will actually start wearing on the outside shoulders - yes, even with negative camber - because they will be toed in when you raise the ride height.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2: find another camber kit that can adjust to MORE than 4 degress +/- camber...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Forget that.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">3: step it up and get TRUE coilover setup...</TD></TR></TABLE>
And exactly how do you expect this to help? And what makes a coilover "true" or "false" As long as there is a coil spring fitted over the damper, it is definitely a coilover. As far as having the threads for adjustable perches machined onto a sleeve that fits over the damper (vs. onto the damper body itself), what's the difference?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">only the fronts are eating up</TD></TR></TABLE>
I can't see your pics because you used Angelfire, but if they're wearing on the inside shoulder, it's because they're toed out, not because of negative camber. Get the alignment shop to center the toe as close as they can, and just ignore the camber. Your tires will last.
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Old Jun 1, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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thanks guyz for the help... it came out that my toe was off... and my camber was off -2 degrees... they didnt adjust the camber kit so i m gonna have to do that myself... even tho they alligned my wheels and adjusted the toe and caster, i still dont feel a difference.. i wouldve thought that my car wouldve handled better, being that more tire would be touching the floor... also, my wheel still drifts to the right... isnt all that suppose to be corrected ???
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Old Jun 1, 2005 | 06:35 PM
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You've got the wrong idea about camber then. With less negative camber, your going to loose contact with the road in a turn. The idea is that as you turn, the body rolls X degrees. If your camber is set to X degrees, the tires will be nice & flat through the turn. This is why Targa250R said it isn't exactly ideal to have your camber within factory spec. This is also why I left my camber stock even though I'm lowered 3" (handles great BTW)...
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