OK. My first spin-on adapter would not fit. Since it did not have a part number (116) stamped on it anywhere, I assumed I had the wrong part.

Well, spin-on adapter #2 showed up today. It DOES have a 116 stamped on it and it is EXACTLY THE SAME as the first one. Just to make sure, I crawled under the car and tried to spin it on. No Dice. It won't clear the evil black bracket just as the first one wouldn't

See evil black bracket to the right of the adapter (no, this is not my car. It is a pic from a successful installation).



I can only guess at this point that this bracket is slightly farther left on my car than it is on the half dozen or so cars that have this same install ("about 1 minute to install. Completely painless" as one person put it.).
It looks like my only choice is to snake my arm up behind the motor and try to remove said evil bracket. Anyone know exactly what this thing is holding?

Any better ideas before I proceed to bruise my knuckles and cut up my forearms?

Thanks,
Scott "painless install... my ***" Giles

 

What is the bracket's function?

Maybe you could grind/slot/chamfer the spin on adapter for clearance? From the pic it seems there is alot of excess material there... if indeed the bracket's function is neccessary.

-Ryan

 

what engine and car is this...
the type r and the civic I installed the same thing in fit without any problem..

can you disconnect the bracket, then install spin on.. then re0install the bracket?

 

I'm not quite sure what it is holding. I haven't pushed all the lines and hoses out of the way and shined a light up in there yet.
I really didn't want to do this. I guess it is now the next project by necessity.

Further inspection of the above photo looks like some grinding MAY have been done on this bracket. hmmm.

If I can get the bracket out, all I'd need to do is grind about 1/16th off that inside radius.
If I can get that bracket out...

 

I am not by my car but....It looks like that is the bracket that supports the intake manifold. You should be able to remove it & do some grinding. When I had a JRSC, Jackson said it wasn't even needed. Not too sure about that though.

 

If I am not mistaken that bracket is a support for the intake plenumn. Is it necessary? Probably not. Is it ok to grind it? Absolutely!

 

I'd probably still keep the bracket installed.............
the intake comes pretty far off the block and might stress the head and the intake manifold bolts

just grind it to make it fit I looks like a few millimeters is all that it needs



[Modified by Crazydave, 3:56 PM 2/6/2002]

 

it does look like the intake manifold support.

no worries, you can grind a bunch of it off (weight savings! )

 

Let me guess...you have a Integra GSR motor w/ the dual intake manifold?

 

I just got through doing the aforementioned hose shoving and flashlight shining and it is in fact the intake support bracket. It looks like it will be a relative beeotch to get off.
The weekend project list just keeps getting longer. VIR next weekend...

Yep, considering it's a GSR and all .

Thanks for the help,
Scott, who got really good dyno numbers off the new motor but was also seeing 230 degree oil temps during short, back to back dyno pulls and won't be putting said new motor on track until the oil cooler is functional.

 

How much room do you need? If the answer is "just a little bit," I'd try loosening it at the engine end and seeing if it'll move. Doesn't *look* to be very robust so you might get just enough flex to get the adapter off.

 

See, this is why we should be able to grind on shniz to make parts fit

230 from dyno runs. Wow. I fear what my oil temps are. At least the ITR has that weenie little oil loop/cooler.

So when you make this sucker work, feel free to take pics and let us know. Us being other folks who need to install oil coolers

Did you baffle your stock pan yet?

Warren


[Modified by Warren, 9:13 PM 2/6/2002]

 

I agree with Karl...try to get a socket on that bolt and whatever's on the other end, and justify it away from the adapter and see if it fits.

 

I'd say grind it. Grind the edge enough to fit, and put a piece of rubber stripping on the grinded edge that is closest to the adaptor assembly to the sharp metal edge won't chew through the adaptor when the car is vibrating.

 

You should change this to a poll. My vote:

steel file

But before you do it, you should put some tape on the threads so you don't accidently f them up, because, as you know, installs always go so smoothly.

Where did you get that spin on adapter? I found a few at Baker Precision.

Warren

 

No no no no Karl. He's your competition. Don't offer help. Or if you do, offer advice that starts with:

-Open a beer
-open a roll of Bounty
-you don't REALLY need that oil cooler on that $X,000 engine do you?

Glad I could help.

 

You should be able to get that off from underneath the car. You should still be able to make the track this weekend.

 

Sorry, I should have taken into account you had a GSR before I recommended the Perma-cool adapter #116. I have a ITR intake manifold on my motor. So there is no support bracket to get in the way. Hence, the Perma-cool adapter is a perfect fit!



[Modified by 98LSTypeR, 10:17 PM 2/6/2002]

 

maaan... that intake manifold bracket makes getting off a super-tight oil filter a beeeeyaaaittch.... i scolded my buddy that i was helping with an oil change on the dangers of letting certain dealers change one's oil....

Ryan

 

Not to jump this thread, but it has raised some concerns. This bracket is only on the GSR IM? I have the Permacool 116 adapter...can I expect this to be the easy install everyone hopes for? I sure hope so, since nothing else is easy

 

The bracket is on all B series engines. I removed mine completely while doing a intake manifold exchange and at present the Aluminium cast manifold is supporting it self, all the applicable sensors and TB no problems so far. This is a race car only and I would not advise removing the bracket on a street car although I am aware of a number of people that daily drive without the support bracket on there stock manifolds without problems. Removing some interference material should not be a problem, just difficult and time consuming to access.

 

For a street car i'd leave it on. Honda engineers dont put random parts on the car just to add weight... and you have to get up pretty early in the morning to beat the engineer at his own game Most FWD/AWD 4 cylinders i've seen have some sort of support bracket for the manifold.

-Ryan

 

What I would do, take the braket of, grind it, then put it back..

 

It is an absolute beotch to get to the top bolts. Once I snake my arm up in there, it's so twisted that I can't get any torque on the ratchet.
The exhaust has to be dropped from the header to get in there as well.

Scott, who's off to Home Depot for a longer socket extension.

PS - Baker Precision was out of stock when I called. I got mine from Racer Parts Wholesale. The 116 is the correct part.

 

Longer extensions and swivel end connectors. Good luck.