I know there are two types you can put on. A complete cold air intake, one that brings in air from the wheel well, and the other that just has a pipe with a filter on the end of it in the engine compartment. Questions are, do you get better benefits with a CCAI system versus just putting a short pipe on, and are there any gas mileage benefits. Thanks.

 

in reality, theres very little benefit with either.....short ram (short piping) can increase throttle response, but a CAI will yeild better, yet neligable results....both will increase gas milege if you drive the car the same way...but chances are you'll have a heavier right foot once its on, and then the gas milege will go down.......but all in good fun, right?

 

How about the eBay ones...good or bad? Been thinkin on ordering but not sure since its sooo cheap. lol

 

To be completely honest, the pipes on ebay or just as effective as the higher priced ones of the same design. The only real different may be how it installs against the body of the car and the filter, but that is about all.

You could easily get away with buying the pipes off of ebay for cheap, and then getting a good filter by K&N.

Just my $0.02

 

I bought my short ram on ebay for about 20 dollers works fine but i just recently put on a CAI because i thought my engine was running hot... so i thought it would be better to suck in some cold air instead of hot air =D ... piping i just went to get extra rubber thing haha and pipes from like a metal shop it was cheaper than buying another on ebay.. so the fact is its convienent <--can't spell /// that you can change for the season to CAI or short ram.. and yes after i changed to aftermarket ebay intake my gas milage went down

 

you guys need to look into a company called CP-E. THey make a complete cold air intake and they also have MAF customizer that comes with the intake. Although its expensive, around 500, this intake, on a mazda 6 V6 gve the car 24whp. Amazing. Check it out.

 

you live in texas right? get a cold air. you don't have a lot of puddles like we do in canada.

ebay it, beware of high shipping costs! e-mail the seller direct (and have them ship it COD). get a few things, all for under $100 lol

 

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f series engines dont use any sensors before the throttle body....all you need is piping

just get ebay piping, and then an A'pexi or K&N Filter

 

How much gas mileage did you notice? I am concidering but do drive about 90 miles a day. I want to improve the performance some as well but don't want to take a huge drop in gas mileage . LMAO


Thanks!!

 

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Go with cold air intake!!! The differences between brand name CAI like AEM, INJEN...and cheap ebay one I could think of are:

-The way they fit.
-Air filter.
-Ceramic coating on the pipe.

I know that AEM has ceramic coating on the pipe so it could keep the air staying cool from hot engine compartment. It has use AEM filter (I heard it is made by K&N, but I could be wrong). It fits well. The only cons is that it is pricey, because basically you pay for their name. You could get cheap CAI from ebay (don't know how they fit), and use K&N filter. If you want you could always paint the pipe with ceramic paint (I don't know if ebay one comes with it). About the MPG thingy, I don't think you will notice any change at all because it is minimal. Don't worry too much about that.

 

There is a difference in the name brand and ebay, and no im not talking abou how they fit. AEM CAI are actually tuned for sound resonance yeilding a few more horses throughout the power band over other brands. You get what you pay for. The dollar for the performance value is less with the expensive CAIs however they are proven to perform better. Secondly, CAIs have a huge advantage over short ram intakes. Yes the whole cold air thing is they key. Its like what, 200F in your engine bay (or something like that) and say 70F outside the car. For every ten degrees of temperature you gain one horsepower approximately. thats why CAI give you around 6-10 hp (depending on the car) and short ram is more like 2-5 hp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AbsentNissan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is a difference in the name brand and ebay, and no im not talking abou how they fit. AEM CAI are actually tuned for sound resonance yeilding a few more horses throughout the power band over other brands. You get what you pay for. The dollar for the performance value is less with the expensive CAIs however they are proven to perform better. Secondly, CAIs have a huge advantage over short ram intakes. Yes the whole cold air thing is they key. Its like what, 200F in your engine bay (or something like that) and say 70F outside the car. For every ten degrees of temperature you gain one horsepower approximately. thats why CAI give you around 6-10 hp (depending on the car) and short ram is more like 2-5 hp. </TD></TR></TABLE>

if my AEM made 10whp, id buy 3 more of them......

as for the miles per gallon thing....highway, you should see an increase, as long as you keep crsuing (if you have cruise control, USE IT).....dips in MPG will not be mechanical fault, they'll be from you, the driver, flooring the car more, and taking it higher into the power band......if you ever see a video that shows the differences in the amount of fuel being dumped in at idle VS full throttle, youd be amazed

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AbsentNissan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is a difference in the name brand and ebay, and no im not talking abou how they fit. AEM CAI are actually tuned for sound resonance yeilding a few more horses throughout the power band over other brands. You get what you pay for. The dollar for the performance value is less with the expensive CAIs however they are proven to perform better. Secondly, CAIs have a huge advantage over short ram intakes. Yes the whole cold air thing is they key. Its like what, 200F in your engine bay (or something like that) and say 70F outside the car. For every ten degrees of temperature you gain one horsepower approximately. thats why CAI give you around 6-10 hp (depending on the car) and short ram is more like 2-5 hp. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You're an idiot...it's like you believe what those companies advertise.

Answer me this...do you think your hood is air tight??? Once you begin moving, the ambient air temperature under your hood is the same as the outside air...it's been proven through placing a thermometer in the engine bay.

The ONLY advantage the CAI has over the short ram is flow velocity. Think of where the filter is on a CAI and tell me if you can sleep easily knowing your filter is a few inches from all the dirt and grime of the road...all that **** gets into your engine and causes premature wear....

Everything else is just hype which you seem to know plenty about

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pa_itr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're an idiot...it's like you believe what those companies advertise.

Answer me this...do you think your hood is air tight??? Once you begin moving, the ambient air temperature under your hood is the same as the outside air...it's been proven through placing a thermometer in the engine bay.

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ambient temps in the hood are NOT the same as those outside, especailly when a short ram is literaly milimteres away from the head ....i dont care what you say.....wind and air resisitance dont make a 3ftx3ft metal enclosure with a 200+ degree block of metal the same temperature as the air outside the car

why would comapnies like ARC make ducting that collects air from outside the car..(im not talking ram air)....hell many cars come like that stock to help get cooler air into the engine.......

if ambient temps are all teh same, intercoolers would be useless, radiators and all other condensors, and coolers would be complelty unneccesary

 

First of all, I ran a CAI on my spec V for 2 years and slept just fine. I don't live in flood country. Besides, the intake is in the fender where it was on the stock intake on my last car with the filter just up stream. You should design cars for Nissan! Those engineers need to know about the menacing danger all their cars are in from dirt and grim on the road that can leap through the fender, past the filter and destroy the engine!
I don't know what you have to prove but your only half right. Flow velocity has a lot to do with it, but pulse tunning is part of it too. Sport Compact Car Volume 15 No. 07 pg.216 "Anywhere dry the pulse tunning and inertial effects of the AEM's long intake tube mean another 5 hp above the POP-charger's gains."(They have the dyno run in the mag to prove it). Don't reply saying the magazine is a sell out, cause if you were the scholar that you try to evoke yourself as then you would know SCC does nothing but call bs on all that kind of myth. Don't take it up with me, write Dave Coleman. But this is not why I believe this so called hype.
If I was so ignorant to believe an engine bay was air tight I would be claiming gains of like twenty hp alone due to temperature difference. Furthermore, as the engine gets hot the intake piping is heated as well. As stated earlier AEM coats their intakes to help minimize this heat soak. Secondly when I say 6-10hp depending on the engine, that means your narrow minded dogma of Honda engines is in the 4-6hp gains on a good day. I forget about the audience I am dealing with. See there are engines outside of your 1.6, 1.8, and the occasional 'big block' 2.2. There are other engines out there that are very bottled up and have high displacement yielding very friendly gains from bolt-ons. Just because you don't get good gains on a Honda engine that comes with great flowing everything in the first place dosen't mean the intake is no good.(Yes I'm aware some Honda engines don't have the best heads and what not. So don't make a post and tell me this, I know.)
The reason I know that the AEM is slightly superior to other intakes(at least certain models that I personally researched) is because I've seen dyno after dyno with different intakes on the same car and the AEM was always just a couple hp ahead. Your probably busy buying your ebay header at the moment, saying to yourself, "hey this is $40! Its just metal piping, I'm just paying for the name if I get a DC or Greddy header." Completely ignorant of the fact that modern headers are designed on the molecular level. So keep it up you bargain spender and come meet me at the track.

P.S. If you write another post calling me an idiot people will think you are cool. If you threw in a few more derogatory terms like stupid or jackass it will confirm the existence of the massive pulsating cranium that obviously lies in your head.

 

wow...

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ok, if you are on a Honda web forum chances are your going to be conversing with people who own a Honda . So when you say that X brand intake will net you x-xxhp gains then people are led to believe you are refering to a Honda engine. If you are refering to a different engine then please state that so there is no confusion and no useless arguing. And dispite what you may believe, some of "us" do know that there are other engines out there other than the 1.6, 1.8 and 2.2 liter Honda engines . And yes, some other engines may benifit more from bolt-ons than some Honda engines but you have to remember that you are on a Honda board so if your going to refer to a different engine other than Honda please state that.

 

Some need to understand too that power yields off cars with a V6 or V8 are not to be associated with power yields of the same parts on a 4cyl. car. My CL-S in some aspects with various setups has shown upwards of 10-14whp gains with cold air intakes and ducts using the comptech ice box...our S2000 however hasnt show much over 4-5whp gains even with the higher line ARC setups and/or Spoon snorkles...

The bottom line is...intakes on honda 4cyl's typically does nothing really but make you feel a little butt dyno increase...on the dyno sheets, the companies show optimal settings (AEM actually uses a fan and large tubing connected to their intake filter with NO bumper to produce the intake power gains they claim...they also subject the car to numerous expensive dyno tuning sessions and timing/fuel map alterations to get optimal power gains...peak horsepower gains is something that you will probobly NEVER gain unless you do exactly what they did, and in that, it isnt eve a gain you'll see driving the car, it'll only come up on a dyno.)

Is it a good mod? Thats subjective on your opinion of worth vs. power yield and dollar figures...will you gain power? Certainly...it might not be noticeable at all, but it will increase in most cases. Will it increase gas mileage? This is a tricky one...you MAY get an increase if you were to drive your car exactly the same as you did when it wasnt on the car...but because it will surely SOUND faster and louder, you'll want to drive it as such, and because of this, your gas mileage may actually decrease.

Personally, i dont find them all that important, you risk various things that you just dont have to worry about with a stock air intake setup...the noise is cool i guess when a throaty tone is resonating from your hood at WOT but in the end, i've never been a big fan of SRI's or CAI's at all...for price or funtionality on honda 4cyl.'s.

 

wow this guy is ******* retarded. did you grow up near power lines? i know you can argue all day about power gains....go look at some dyno sheets...and look at the actual intake itself. its a ******* aluminum pipe now matter how hard you look at it. i have yet to see an intake on any 4cyl engine that gave someone more than 6-7 whp. of course you can go thru magazines and AEM and Injen's website and see the results...do you think magazine companies actually make all their money from selling $4 issues to people...hell no they get money from the people who advertise their products in the magazine like AEM and INJEN etc. which who are trying to sell a product so they are going to make their products seem like the best. its business. get a dyno graph from actual tests completed by normal people those will give you the real answers.

most of us in here aren't narrow minded honda owners. i actually do a lot of work on nissans and DSM's too. and have on occasion worked on some american cars. i actually me and my buddies just finished up swapping a red top sr20det into my buddies S13 only took us a total of like 10 hours and we taking our time. i must say that is the easiest swap ever. a few months ago me and my buddy swapped an aveneir sr20det into our friends B13 SE-R. i know a lot about other car engines. especially nissan motors.

the conclusion is an intake is a ******* piece of pipe. what makes the difference is the air filter. i dunno about AEM's new intakes but i had one before i went turbo and mine had no ceramic paint on it. it was red paint. i felt no difference in power from my AEM to the Ebay CAI i had before. the only reason i put the AEM on is because i was red to match the color of my car and i got it for free from a friend.

 

Don't get all offended I'm not talking to you or the majority of anyoine on this board. Just the people who take the extreme of what I say that is only acplicable in the most extreme scenario and act like I'm claiming it on some average context. Anyway did you not read what I said. The whole point was that I now realize that if you say an CAI gives 6-10hp that translates to a claim of 10hp on a ragged out B16 in honda-tech talk, and I was pointing out my error. Please just get over it. Oh yeah, I own a honda so don't talk to me like I'm some honda bashers please.

 

I think some are confusing ceramic finish with "ionized" finish...like "Ionized Red, Blue, Grey, etc"...as far as i knew they are not and have never been ceramic, but i never really paid much attention to their advertisements anyways so i could be wrong.

One thing i will say that i HAVE dealt with was AEM's natorious habit of having that wheel well bracket (and the little rubber grommet/bushing) that comes with it, basically just falling apart...i've had 3 friends come to me thinking that something was wrong to find out the same issue...and have read online the same thing has happened to alot of people that used their intakes, especially the SRI's which move more than the CAI's for some reason under heavy acceleration. Its an easy fix, and AEM will send you a free replacement bushing, but its still kinda funny, you pay so much for what basically amounts to a shiney fancy tube under your hood for cosmetic appeal, youd think they'd have fixed a problem like that on their V.1 intake systems.

They sure do make sure everyone gets their free license plate frame though...lol, gotta love big business.

 

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I wasn't offended. I was just pointing out why some people may have reacted the way they did.

And yes, I did read your post. I was just saying that if you were going to refer to a different engine other than a Honda then state that so there isn't any confusion to your claim.

Also, I never said you did or did not have a Honda or that you were some "Honda basher". I was merely stating that you are on a Honda board so people are going to think you are refering to a Honda unless you state otherwise.

geeze...looks like you're the one that needs to get over it. I wasn't offended nor was I trying to offend you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brads94accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow this guy is ******* retarded. did you grow up near power lines?
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Oh, we got a real tough guy here.

 

^^^ Seems like your TRYING to start something man...

 

nah, don't mean to come across that way, just think this is incredibly funny. who knew intakes were such a heated debate. Things sound so different when you type them. But it wasn't like something wasn't already started.
Oh and Touring, I didn't mean for that to be adressed just to you, thats why I referred to a few things you didn't say. I was speaking generaly to everyone.

 

The intake debate is one of the bigger ones in the tuner world because you have a huge section of people that feel that butt dyno providing them a good bit of power for a $200-$300 (or cheaper on ebay) piece of metal with an upgraded cone filter and they think its legitimate...then later down the road (like even myself) they learn/realize that in fact they (in honda 4cyl. cases) really do nothing legitimate as far as power yields and at most you got little mpg increases or perhaps a little better throttle response on a car that really, isnt made to have great throttle response anyways because its not a performance car (not saying that only pertains to performance cars but you get my point).

I feel like many others that intakes just arnt worth the cost or risk involved in running them (CAI's that is)...ive seen hydrolocked engines, even with bypass valves (though if you DO get a CAI, i suggest just having one for piece of mind, thats just an opinion though)...and really, for hardly any power gain, and hundreds (potentially) out of your pocket...is it worth the possibility that you could run into a deep flash flood puddle and bam, engine gone? Thats just one of many reasons to me.