No matter the question or suspension problems it seems everyones answer to every single problem is...

get a rear sway bar!!! Wow are these things just magical and not matter what your problem they just magicaly fix it??? **** I bet they even add horse power.

What other amazing things do these sway bars do??? Oh yeah they rip out your sub frame. Cool!!!

Seriously though I am just trying to spark some conversation.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turboman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Oh yeah they rip out your sub frame. Cool!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah when you're not matching everything correctly, using springrates that are too low with a big bar, and are using it on a car that wasnt reinforced from the factory for a large bar or on a car that didnt come with one at all.

 

take youre ritalin kid, you need to calm the **** down.

 

WTF are you smoking, honestly i have answered many questions that didn't deal with sway bars.


its a MAJOR PART of your suspension that is important and some people just plan leave it out of there equation

 

I use my sway bar as a rear spoiler and to check my oil.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slimstajimsta5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">take youre ritalin kid, you need to calm the **** down.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Seriously.


I bet someone is jsut jealous because they don't have one.

 

Yeah mine ripped out my subframe because it was binding at least that what i believe it was. The binding however i believe was produced by the choice of using m@d t!t3 Vt@cK JIC suspension

 

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It does have the potential to make the most amount of difference to the handling of your car. The problem is that in order to get the most benefits, you need to optimize everything else first. A big bar isn't worth crap on a stock suspension.

I think that 90% of the people on this board just really don't need one. Most people are running on drop springs, or crappy coilovers to get a lowered look. I don't even know how they feel the performance of the bar just driving on the street in most cases with the suspension setups they're running.

 

i disagree that an upgraded rear swaybar doesnt mean crap on stock suspension.

i put a 22mm mugen rear sway bar on my otherise stock CRX and loved the feeling. i may be one of those ppl who say a bigger rear swaybar is the suspension answer to everything.... but im also considering bumping up my front swaybar with a 22mm integra one to tone down some of the bodyroll some more. if i dont like it, ill switch it with my 17mm HF bar and try that.

whiteline performance offers probably the BEST technical explanation that is easily read. i recently went through all their reading material and was impressed with their way of thoroughly communicating different aspects of suspension.
http://www.whiteline.com.au/

here's an excerpt about swaybars

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whiteline &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The fitting of larger swaybars (rear and in general) has two main effects, vehicle balance in terms of understeer and oversteer, and increased roll resistance. Both of these can provide increased overall grip levels that can be achieved by the vehicle.

As most factory vehicles are biased towards understeer, fitting of the larger rear swaybar will help in providing a more neutral characteristic in the handling at the limit. This is due to the increase in roll stiffness at the rear, which loads the rear wheels more unevenly and provides slightly less grip at the rear than previous.

At first this may sound sacrificial, however, as the rear end is resisting more of the roll, the front end resists less in proportion, leaving the front wheels more evenly loaded, therefore more available front end grip. In the end an increase in overall grip can be achieved by balancing the vehicle. A WRX or other front torque biased all wheel drive vehicle will benefit even more due to combined front end steering/traction demand.

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btw, for those who dont know, in the above context, oversteer means the fronts have more grip than the rear, understeer is vice versa. you either improve grip up front, or reduce grip in the rear to produce oversteer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i disagree that an upgraded rear swaybar doesnt mean crap on stock suspension. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, that was a pretty general statement on my part. By adding a rear sway it has the effect of increasing the rear springrate and decrease body roll. Sure, by stiffening up the rear, you will reduce understeer, and possibly dial in some oversteer depending on the bar and your springrate.

I just think that by bumping up the springrate is a much more direct way to reduce body roll and 'plow'. Sure, the bar can make a difference, but with such low springrates the car just pitches and rolls way to much as it is, and by adding a sway, it can improve the situation; but I'd rather get rid of the body roll and use the bar as a tuning device.

 

I like to think that on a street car a sway bar is a compromise part. You could achieve the same (or better) handling by the use of higher rate springs, but you sacrifice ride quality. So a midrange rate and sway bar get you better handling and a good ride. Although I may be talking out my *** right now since my car has no sways and really low spring rates (Pro-Kits) LOL


on a race car it's a fine tuning device that lets you tune (balance) the car to your liking (hence why race cars have highly adjustable sways)

 

yeah, im only talking about this being my street car. ive had 900lb springs in the rear, i know how it feels like. i tried 300/450 in the too, that was better. still handled good on the track. but i do not desire high spring rates for my street car at all. and so yes, having just a bigger rear sway bar for me was a great addition, along with my stock springs, and now w/ an old set of illuminas.

so my setup right now

stock springs
illuminas 4/3 setting (i think)
stock 18mm front swaybar
mugen 22mm rear swaybar

i just need to replace my bushings, especially the steering rack bushing now.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like to think that on a street car a sway bar is a compromise part. You could achieve the same (or better) handling by the use of higher rate springs, but you sacrifice ride quality. So a midrange rate and sway bar get you better handling and a good ride. Although I may be talking out my *** right now since my car has no sways and really low spring rates (Pro-Kits) LOL


on a race car it's a fine tuning device that lets you tune (balance) the car to your liking (hence why race cars have highly adjustable sways)</TD></TR></TABLE>

My god what you said almost brought a tear to my eye. Thank You

A sway bar on a street car is great if you want to add some performance of a higher spring rate without actualy using the higher spring rates. 500 and up may be a bit much for some on the street. 400 pounds with a 100-150 poung equilvalent sway bar will get you close to the same performance as if running a higher spring rate. That's it that is what a sway bar does. It is not the magical part that everyone thinks it is.

 

*sigh*

Are you trying to start an argument here, or what?

 

Big *** rear swaybars on an otherwise all stock suspension is hardly the answer - its great for a street car, but for track/autox its hardly worth the cost and effort. The only thing that bigger bar will do is unload the inside rear faster, and with softy stock springs and dampers it just doesnt work - even with revalved (SPSS3) konis on my ITR a bigger rear bar didnt help as much as i'd like - by apex the inside rear was just hanging in the air, and when that happens the rear bar has stopped 'working'.

But, on the street it felt great.

To each his own, YMMV.

I'm not sure what this thread was initially about... maybe we can be more constructive?