Got this from a friend today.

http://65.75.164.80/onelap/200...2.wmv

This looks fun...at first.

Man those walls are close.

 

yeah, that REALLY makes me want to go race on Shennandoa... NOT.

 

He needs a bigger wing.

 

Ouch. That was some good car control to keep that thing from getting seriously out of hand though. Thanks for the vid.

 

one lap =
-first time there (most likely)
-running ***** out (not a real good idea)
-more worried about the clock than a safe drive (name of the game)
:shrugg:

They did a good job keeping it under control and from getting in worse shape than it did.


My stock suspended ITR would spin a little over that crest (last fall)... but I was not even close to the speed that he was carrying. I also had 3 days to learn the track (not 3 or so laps) and know that you have to pass that worker stand in the middle of the track (the track is crowned at the crest with a little bounce there (where the cross over is)) and knew where I needed to head (blind) before I committed.

 

Jeebus that looks horrible. Lots of walls, lots of places to get airborne. I think I'll stick to the big track.

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No worries - SCCA hasn't approved the track for competition AFAIK.

 

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First time out, whatever. It's poorly designed if you get airborne like that without time or space to recover before you need to brake for a corner. Espcially given there are walls all over the place. May as well do hot laps around downtown DC.

 

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no, but NASA has. Race there in June I believe. Maybe it's not such a bad thing that I can't make it. Although I hear that this particular incident had a lot to do with operator error. ? I can't say, since I have never driven the track. Either way, while the track may be OK for HPDE, it still doesn't look all that good for actual racing. I guess I should really try to drive it to form an educated opinion. Until then, I'll just STFU.

 

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I had no issues there... and I am 'really not that good'.

Granted I have no power (the video car and the Z06 that I have seen loose it there have a lot more power) and use soft suspension.
Stiff suspension tends to make the 'bump' at the crest much worse than with stock suspension... and then the downhill after the bump makes it much harder to slow down before the turn... and if the car is unloaded then loaded 'hard'... things can get a bit dicey (ask .RJ ).

If you know you don't have the distance to stop... dont carry the speed over the crest.

 

The 12 hrs is next month, I am sure IF the track was that unsafe NASA would have done something. Looked like operator error to me, fast car and a driver with a rush of blood.

 

That shouldn't be an issue for race groups as we will not be running that "Neurburg ring" section of the track. We will be turning left right after where the WRX got airborne so we'll be long on the brakes.

Z

 

People who have never driven the track will continue to talk out their *** about something they know nothing about.
Anyone can look at any on-track wreck where someone doesnt know what they are doing and blame it on the track instead of the driver. And anyone would be very stupid.

This is an obvious case of wrong line, and very bad reaction.
He is offline over the crest of the hill, which causes him to go airborne and into the dirt, he gets it back on track and then tries to make the corner out of control instead of standing on the brakes, which he had plenty of time to slow the car down enough to not hit anything.

Evan
-who has *gasp* driven shenandoah

 

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I had no issues there... and I am 'really not that good'.

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me either. on both points

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It wasn't even a matter of being able to stop. He came over the crest pointed in the wrong direction and went off on the outside.

moral of the story: take blind crests slowly until you know where you are going.

IIRC, there was going to be a gravel trap on the outside of the karrusel according to the plans. wonder what happened to that?

 

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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.....

On watching that video, thats operator error, absolutely. I dont know what kind of orientation laps or track walking they get with this event, but its a blind crest with a bend in it and there's a right way and a wrong way to go over it. He chose the wrong way, and with 500+ hp, the wrong way becomes apparent very quickly, with a rather severe punishment.

RJ - who found some interesting marks on his front jacking point, oil pan, and muffler after that weekend

 

That'll buff right out.

I do kinda agree that from that angle the track looks fairly tight and walled in, but at the same time its pretty obvious that the scooby was off line and out of control well before hitting the wall. Wont know for sure untill I drive it though, shame the HPDE there is the same weekend as the Toledo tour.

 

At 125mph cresting that hill airborne in a 3100lb car on street tires... i'm thinking you don't have much time to fix a mistake. whoops.

 

guess that answers the question about what its like to go over the outside of a karassel-style banked corner, `ring style.

 

i could see something like this happening at T-hill, there is a blind cresting hill, two actually, and if you went ***** out on it you would probably get air born and get yourself into a big mess, good thing is, no walls

 

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emra ran a great race there bypassing the carosel though, everyone said they loved it and want to return and yes that car was offline for sure

 

Guys,

NASA is conducting a test day for select racers and NASA instructors on May 13. I have driven the course twice and I love it but I wanted to get some of our regulars out there to learn the course and give feedback on it. There have not been alot of groups out there on the track yet but so far the feedback from all that I have talked to is that it is a great, very technical circuit. I have included some of the feedback that I have gotten from those that have actually run the track at speed for an event.

My assessment is that this track will eventually be considered one of the best tracks on the east coast. I know this is a big statement but the course is VERY challenging. Good drivers will love it but it will expose the weaknesses of lower skilled drivers. The nice thing is that the course flows very well and FEELS faster than the average speeds suggest.

My suggestion is to try it. If you don't dig it afterward then cool but if one bases their opinion on the statements of others that have not run the course or on in-car video played through ones computer they may be making a judgement mistake. I had my questions about this track. I went out with some trepidation too, but I found that I kept wanting to get back on it to work on this corner or that corner. It is a rich track that you will NOT learn in one day. It has too many nuances. It needs to be approached with some respect, just like Road Atlanta or Watkins Glen but when you get it down it feels REALLY cool. There is no rest. You will work the entire time and your concentration level needs to be high.

The bridge at Road Atlanta is blind. If you come through there wrong you will know it quickly. Everyone knows there is a crest at Shenandoah. Line up correctly and feather the throttle if you are in a high HP car. Adapt to the track and learn the fastest way around it.

Do you really want a track that is boring and without some challenge? I don't.

Here are some quotes from others.

chris, i raced there with emra last month. we had a ball.--Gary Cole (NASA instructor)


Hey Chris, Dan Martin here. I have spent a couple weekends at this track and I thinks it's great. It got a lot of negative press for no reason. As far as the bowl is concerned, just tell the students to stay low and they will be fine. The Armco never was really an issue. It gets close at the turn just before pit straight but it's such a slow turn that unless you have lot's of power and use unwisely I don't see a problem. Dan Martin --NASA Instructor and GTS Racer

See you at the track!!!

Chris Cobetto

 

how do we get on the "select racers" list for that day?

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Seriously! Some of you whimps should just stay home in your padded rooms where it is safe and stick to playing GT4.

 

Chris,

Any chance of adding a Friday practice day for this event?


Matt

 

I am in agreement with Chris, I participated in the Emra race and I had a blast. We did not run the carousel, there is connector right after the bridge that takes it out of the course. I will go back and race there again.

 

seems to me if you take the race configuration of the track (bypass the skate park turn), it's not that bad. Mid-Ohio has just as many walls around it.