I guess they didn't have the min weight in their car (600kg) after the last race. According to FIA they used a secondary gas tank to add weight to the car, which is not legal.
They also want around $1.3 mill.
The resolution would come as early as tomorrow.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1235390 ?

https://honda-tech.com/zero...10601

Dude you posted this 3 times


Modified by CRX Toad at 9:23 PM 5/4/2005

 

No, FIA is calling for BAR-Honda to be excluded from the championship.

There are a lot of articles on this all over the net, here are a few of them:

http://www.formula1.com/news/2939.html

http://f1.racing-live.com/en/h...shtml

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns14734.html

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns14734.html

Unless the decision is spurious and political I can't see them judging against BARH in this case. Knowing Honda's culture it is almost inconceivable that they would deliberately cheat. Maybe they were stretching the rules or using creative interpretation but certainly not willfully cheating.

 

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My head a'splode

 

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Those links don't work.
I'll check the other websites.

 

Confirmed, Bar dq'd from Imola and banned in Spain and Monaco. After that, probation for six months.
That sucks, I am a JB fan and he has to pay for this crap that he probably didn't even know.

 

Have any other teams had their cars drained and re-weighed this season?

 

They weigh all the cars in Parc Ferme after the race.

from Formula1.com:
In addition to scrutineering, cars are also weighed throughout the Grand Prix weekend to ensure that they comply with minimum weight requirements (currently 600kg including driver, except during qualifying when it is 605kg). During practice and qualifying cars are called in at random to be weighed. After the race every car and driver is weighed.

http://www.formula1.com/insigh....html

 

The question is how many cars have the fuel sucked out, instead of just gravity drained? And then how many cars have the stewards sticking their hands into the tanks looking for extra hidden tanks? Let's be realistic here people. The FIA was tipped off that BAR was cheating, no question.

The stupid part of the argument in my opinion is that if the fuel pressure booster tank was solid metal and weighed the same amount, there would be nothing wrong with the car. It just happens to be that it is filled with fuel, so it's illegal. Nevermind the fact that the car can't run if that tank isn't full.

The FIA is pissed that Honda is joining the breakaway GPWC series, and they are even more pissed that they pulled both cars from the Australia race to be allowed to change engines, so this is their revenge. All it will do is cost F1 more fans, and cost the FIA any respect that the competitors might have still had for them. Max Mosely is a jackass.

 

The punishment does not fit the crime in my opinion. Disqualification from Imola would be enough. This just ain't right.

AJ

 

everbody cheats in racing sorry bend the rules, unfortunately BAR bent it more than they should and got caught. thats racing.

 

Why did the mechanic from BAR answer "yes" when asked by Bauer if the car's fuel tank was empty? Either he and BAR knew it was illegal to have extra fuel as ballast or BAR's intepretation of the rules was that the compartment for the fuel pressure booster needed to be full and that it didn't count as fuel in the tank.

Did I get that right? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

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I totally agree. Everybody is walking on the edge, trying to cheat. Some get caught, some don't. I believe at this level of competition you'll get caught sooner or later. What happened to BMW and their brake ducts?
I don't think fans are going to be turned off or pissed because of this.
My question is why they needed to do this, I thought they had enough car to be the top three or four team.

 

Hating Honda is the new hawtness, don't cha know? Minor setback, Honda will be back on top very soon I'm sure.

 

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It wasn't even a "tip off" - the FIA has known about the booster fuel tanks for several races.

I don't think BAR thought they were blatantly cheating. The reading that I've done leads me to think they had reason to believe the booster fuel, since required for the car to operate, was included in the weight of the car. So, I agree with AJ - DQ from Imola and a slap on the wrist would have been enough.

I wonder if Ferrari and Renault spent the evening re-engineering their fuel systems.

 

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But they were tipped off that the car was built to be underweight when that tank was emptied. The whole thing just smells really foul. It was one of the heavier cars with fuel on board in parc ferme, and BAR proved it was never underweight on the track. I might just skip the next two races for the first time since 2000.

 

A particularly damning statement from Max Mosley. I kept wondering why none of the other teams had to pass the same test. Max's answer pretty much confirms that BAR was unfairly singled out.

Q (Helmut Zwickl): Why didn’t you check Alonso’s Renault and Schumacher’s Ferrari on fuel in Imola?
MM: Because we had good reason to believe there was something wrong with the BAR. We had no reason to believe the other cars were doing this. You have got to be crazy to do it. People don’t do that sort of thing in Formula One anymore. That’s why probably we should check more. If it was really happening last season we should have found it. But people don’t do it. It is the sort of thing people do in a club race or in low-grade racing. It is crude and primitive, it is not sophisticated electronics or the sort of thing we deal with and there is not the slightest reason to believe that Renault or Ferrari or indeed any of the other teams would do it. If you went into any team in the paddock and said you know when the FIA pump the fuel out of the car how much fuel would be left in your car when you finish? They would look at you as if you were simple and say well negligible quantities. It is not even a discussion point. We have no reason to think anyone else had it. If we had the slightest reason, we would investigate. It was the talk of the padd